Hate speech is getting out of control in multiple forums

[Hatsune Miku]

First off, kudos on the moderators having to obviously put in a lot of work but its fairly obvious that in some forums such as the Hogwarts Legacy, Deadspace and others which all have some sort of transgender issue related to it, the forums are literally toxic with hate speech being the prevalent issue and it is either being ignored or is slow to be taken down.

This is also attracted many trolls posting for award points. The question is, what can be done about this? Perhaps, its time for bans and warnings? I had to report multiple posts which clearly hate speech, others were abusing and some even promoting violence, yes its that out of control.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

They don't have AI moderation. It's all actual people which is why stuff posted over the weekends takes much longer to be moderated than during the workday.

So you've never seen people getting banned on weekends?

Only when it's close to the start of the week. Since timezones are a thing, it doesn't mean there is AI moderation.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису Tsukasa Hiiragi:

That AI moderation clearly was not working for Hogwarts Legacy, Deadspace and Sims 4 with the pro-trans content that generated a tsunami of hate in those hubs.

It's not working anywhere.

That's why YouTube stopped using it, the AI system was removing various videos that shouldn't be removed upon further investigation.

Youtube literally still uses AI for their video moderation....there's a whole new issue about it happening right now with cussing in videos.

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

You know, that's a terrible argument because people commit all kinds of crimes and get away with it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-homophobic-racist-n-tiktok-video-arrested-hate-crime-charges-rcna63319

This proves that you're wrong.

And if it's all the same online or not...

From the article itself.

Цитата допису NBC News:

Things escalated, and at one point in the video, Krah threatened to spit in Ha's face and called him a homophobic slur

So no, it didn't prove me wrong considering the threat.

Even from the official DA report[www.contracosta.ca.gov]

Krah is alleged to have threatened to spit on the victim and subsequently threatened harm should the victim go outside. San Ramon Police Department utilized surveillance video to identify the suspect as Jordan Krah.

So no, his speech didn't get him arrested. His threats did.

Oh, and my examples aren't 'just people'. They are somewhat mainstream 'News' websites that have had attempts to shut them down for their articles. In the case of Westboro, if you looked at the links I posted, they literally were sued and won because of the SCOTUS ruling. But thanks for revealing you didn't actually read any sources shown to you.

Powerful companies getting away with their crimes? How surprising, I'm shocked.

Anyway, so where is the threat here?

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/fairfield-teen-arrested-after-being-accused-of-racist-social-media-post-police/2487617/

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

From the article itself.



So no, it didn't prove me wrong considering the threat.

Even from the official DA report[www.contracosta.ca.gov]




So no, his speech didn't get him arrested. His threats did.

Oh, and my examples aren't 'just people'. They are somewhat mainstream 'News' websites that have had attempts to shut them down for their articles. In the case of Westboro, if you looked at the links I posted, they literally were sued and won because of the SCOTUS ruling. But thanks for revealing you didn't actually read any sources shown to you.

Powerful companies getting away with their crimes? How surprising, I'm shocked.

Anyway, so where is the threat here?

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/fairfield-teen-arrested-after-being-accused-of-racist-social-media-post-police/2487617/

Westboro is not a 'powerful company' in the slightest.

Bullying and target harassment is illegal, which that kid did by literally showing a picture a specific student.

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

It's not working anywhere.

That's why YouTube stopped using it, the AI system was removing various videos that shouldn't be removed upon further investigation.

Youtube literally still uses AI for their video moderation....there's a whole new issue about it happening right now with cussing in videos.

Of course they still use it because thousands, maybe millions of videos are uploaded each minute.

What I was referring to is that they stopped using only AI because the results were terrible:

"YouTube says it’s bringing back human moderators who were 'put offline' during the pandemic after the company’s AI filters failed to match their accuracy.

Back in March, YouTube said it would rely more on machine learning systems to flag and remove content that violated its policies on things like hate speech and misinformation. But YouTube told the Financial Times this week that the greater use of AI moderation had led to a significant increase in video removals and incorrect takedowns."

https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/21/21448916/youtube-automated-moderation-ai-machine-learning-increased-errors-takedowns

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Powerful companies getting away with their crimes? How surprising, I'm shocked.

Anyway, so where is the threat here?

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/fairfield-teen-arrested-after-being-accused-of-racist-social-media-post-police/2487617/

Westboro is not a 'powerful company' in the slightest.

Bullying and target harassment is illegal, which that kid did by literally showing a picture a specific student.

Ah, so you think saying racist stuff online is fine as long as it's not targetting an individual?

You really need to see a lawyer.

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

So you've never seen people getting banned on weekends?

Only when it's close to the start of the week. Since timezones are a thing, it doesn't mean there is AI moderation.

We're basically in the same timezone... and I doubt they work on Sundays, you know.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Westboro is not a 'powerful company' in the slightest.

Bullying and target harassment is illegal, which that kid did by literally showing a picture a specific student.

Ah, so you think saying racist stuff online is fine as long as it's not targetting an individual?

You really need to see a lawyer.

Never said it was fine. Just isn't illegal.

The examples I gave have literally said racist things online and let's not forget the existence of /pol on 4chan as well.

Weird how they haven't been shut down or how one of the examples I gave(Westboro) literally won a SCOTUS case that said their speech wasn't illegal.

Which their speech is both online and offline.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Цитата допису Tsukasa Hiiragi:

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Can't we just talk about games and have fun anymore without 4chan level trolls ruining it?

Цитата допису SlowMango:

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The examples I gave have literally said racist things online and let's not forget the existence of /pol on 4chan as well.
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Speaking of which, it seems like people think that /pol/ is that entire site but it's not and the other communities on it are actually better managed, as far as I'm aware, as a third-party.

This is somewhat relevant because it seems that the Steam Community is starting to dip below the quality of even the other boards on chan sites that aren't the political boards.
This may be in-part because of a complete failure to swiftly respond to political spam.

Oh, I know /pol isn't the whole site, just a loud minority. The point was how they haven't been shut down or had users arrested for posting hate speech.

4chan is very quick with their moderation because of the fine line some of the site tows. They have no hesitation in remove illegal content and handing over the IP of the poster to the authorities.

Hell, stuff has been removed off 4chan faster than Twitter or Facebook.

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Ah, so you think saying racist stuff online is fine as long as it's not targetting an individual?

You really need to see a lawyer.

Never said it was fine. Just isn't illegal.

The examples I gave have literally said racist things online and let's not forget the existence of /pol on 4chan as well.

Weird how they haven't been shut down or how one of the examples I gave(Westboro) literally won a SCOTUS case that said their speech wasn't illegal.

Which their speech is both online and offline.

As I've mentioned before, that's a weak argument because people do worse things (even murder) and get away with it.

I know what you think, that the 1st Amendment gives Americans the right to say whatever they want as long as they're not threatening anyone, but that's not how it works:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/federal-protections-against-national-origin-discrimination-1

Federal laws prohibit discrimination based on a person's national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex, and familial status.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Never said it was fine. Just isn't illegal.

The examples I gave have literally said racist things online and let's not forget the existence of /pol on 4chan as well.

Weird how they haven't been shut down or how one of the examples I gave(Westboro) literally won a SCOTUS case that said their speech wasn't illegal.

Which their speech is both online and offline.

As I've mentioned before, that's a weak argument because people do worse things (even murder) and get away with it.

I know what you think, that the 1st Amendment gives Americans the right to say whatever they want as long as they're not threatening anyone, but that's not how it works:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/federal-protections-against-national-origin-discrimination-1

Federal laws prohibit discrimination based on a person's national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex, and familial status.

This isn't "getting away with it".

SCOTUS literally ruled that the speech they were saying was protected. This wasn't an accusation or anything that didn't get a conviction.

This was SCOTUS saying that their speech was still protected.

Discrimination laws are not applied to individual persons. They are for businesses, organizations, schools, etc.

As stated in your source;

Цитата допису Department of Justice:

KNOWING YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS
The Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice enforces federal laws that prohibit discrimination in:

Education
Employment
Housing
Lending
Public Accommodations
Law Enforcement / Police Misconduct
Voting

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

As I've mentioned before, that's a weak argument because people do worse things (even murder) and get away with it.

I know what you think, that the 1st Amendment gives Americans the right to say whatever they want as long as they're not threatening anyone, but that's not how it works:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/federal-protections-against-national-origin-discrimination-1

Federal laws prohibit discrimination based on a person's national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex, and familial status.

This isn't "getting away with it".

SCOTUS literally ruled that the speech they were saying was protected. This wasn't an accusation or anything that didn't get a conviction.

This was SCOTUS saying that their speech was still protected.

Discrimination laws are not applied to individual persons. They are for businesses, organizations, schools, etc.

As stated in your source;

Цитата допису Department of Justice:

KNOWING YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS
The Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice enforces federal laws that prohibit discrimination in:

Education
Employment
Housing
Lending
Public Accommodations
Law Enforcement / Police Misconduct
Voting

What do you think Public Accomodations mean?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

Цитата допису SlowMango:

This isn't "getting away with it".

SCOTUS literally ruled that the speech they were saying was protected. This wasn't an accusation or anything that didn't get a conviction.

This was SCOTUS saying that their speech was still protected.

Discrimination laws are not applied to individual persons. They are for businesses, organizations, schools, etc.

As stated in your source;

What do you think Public Accomodations mean?

I know it doesn't mean 'individual persons' like you are trying to say it does.

Here's some reading[www.law.cornell.edu] on what public accommodations are.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Цитата допису Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

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What do you think Public Accomodations mean?

Drinking fountains, fire exits, and wheelchair ramps and handrails on public property managed by the state or providing services to members of the public.

What does that have to do with the topic, though?

Nothing really. But this is a standard thing that happens.

[Pierce Dalton]

Цитата допису SlowMango:

Цитата допису Pierce Dalton:

What do you think Public Accomodations mean?

I know it doesn't mean 'individual persons' like you are trying to say it does.

Here's some reading[www.law.cornell.edu] on what public accommodations are.

Well, it seems you're confusing the words in and by.

Pay attention, pretty please:

The Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice enforces federal laws that prohibit discrimination IN

If you're discriminated by a company or an individual, that makes no difference. It's not like the law only protects people from corporations, businesses or whatever. As a matter of fact, they cannot do anything illegal, only people can.