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What its funny you've pretty much hit the nail on the head with the user you are quoting.
I'm not going to state what I've personally seen this user do and I think my opening sentence will give you an idea.
Which is a prime example why the rules are there.
It is only a very small select few individuals who repeatedly rant about freedom of speech being violated that constantly contribute to intentionally being combative and disrespectful to others.
It is a big mystery how so many other people can have 'critical' negative reviews of other individuals and topics and will never once face moderation because they do so in a respectful way.
Trans topic is probably the biggest example of that right now, some conversations concerning it are allowed so long as everyone behaves and doesn't intentionally sling insults or try to drive a knife by making it personal towards other users. (Though I'd personally advise against joining any of those threads, it is a landmine just waiting to go off - you can post a respectable view and someone will take heavy offense and it'll spiral from there)
It is insanely easy to not agree with an opposing side while still being civil and showing respect for the exchange.
a hub is controlled by whoever created it, if they have rules to follow, they can have more rules on top of basic steam forum rules.
the war is a politically charged conversation and in my opinion, people on steam have no business or qualification to discuss such a thing. video game player is not a qualified soldier who can close with, and destroy the enemy.
the platform is about video games, if its not about games, it shouldn't have a place here in my opinion.
I think it is a failing of moderation to permit inflammatory topic.
however, to this regard, steam doesn't censor anything at all. a conversation about war can develop, but will be closed when first flame bait troll starts to try a fight or an insult. i think this answers your question.
entire post is so true + agree. truncated only for readability. but a lot of people using this internet lack 'showing respect' part because of sitting behind a screen.
i often try to imagine sitting at the dinner table with an individual before writing a post. if its not worthy at a table setting, then its not worthy to even write.
Also, this isn't a public park, and Valve isn't the government, so the first amendment doesn't affect how they operate. Perhaps you believe in free speech more generally than even the U.S. government does but even the USA drew the line at letting private property & businesses have some personal discretion.
That's not what it says.
Reading is hard, I know.
Jon Stewart, who is Jewish, and says that antisemitism should be debunked, not censored, disagrees.
Also, it's not about conceding that there's "good ideas on both sides", it's about actually debunking the propaganda so that people, especially in the younger generation aren't left with any reason to believe unreasonable BS.
You don't change anyone's minds by censoring opposing viewpoints or calling it out with dismissive labels - and that can even be counter-productive for a variety of reasons.
Yes... or to word this better with an example : a game about catching and raising slimes, should be about catching and raising slimes, and not have its discussion board bogged down and spammed with topics about geo-political matters between nations, or race, when neither of these are even relevant to the game's subject matter.
If you go protest inside the grocery store produce aisle with a megaphone, in the USA, where the first amendment protects "free speech" the police will still remove you from the store, and rightfully so. There's a time and place, which the inside property of a private business is not that time or place, and even the first amendment recognizes this.
You can keep saying that but that doesn't mean that it's true.
If your point is that people can't go inside of Toys R Us and be political schizophrenics without repercussion and that many people agree with that restriction then I guess you're probably correct, however, that's not the time or place, most of us would call that spam ...and that's being nice about it, because frankly demanding the right to disrupt whatever you want, wherever you want, is in blatant disregard of the rights of others and immoral.
Even the USA constitution does not give you free speech to the extent that you can disrupt businesses and say and act however you want on private property that isn't your private property.
Related :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5ha9mENzw
...some people like eating garbage.
That is a good way of looking at it. xD
Most times I write a very lengthy post and by the time I am done writing it - I got all my critical views out of my system and simply just don't post it.
A lot of the time people are going to not want to engage civilly any responding, no matter how civil or backed by evidence you make your post... will only result in a mud slinging and it isn't always easy to back away from either.
More times I can understand why someone is venting and understand that is not how they 'truly' feel on it but are still genuinely upset to make an irrational post. You can really talk to a lot of them and they tend to calm down a good portion of the time and become reasonable but sadly people just dog pile and it just is shoveling coal into the fire. People would like to see someone being irrational get ♥♥♥♥ on than try to help them.
I'm not saying all venting/irrational posts are worthy of attempting to talk them down but understanding the other side goes A LONG way instead of just dismissing them out right.
Its hypocritical anyway because they dont really care about free speech.
If they did they would champion those games that include different opinions and diversity and "woke" agendas, because that is what free speech is about according to them, to be able to express yourself how you want.
But no, "free speech" to them only means : " I should be able to insult you in any form i want without consequences. Also all the stuff i dont like should disappear".
Woke is also about censoring ideas they disagree with...
I'm no expert, obviously, but I know better than to go into a private space and disregard the rules be they written or shared by a common community and be it online or in a real life space.
I'm sure there has been instances of seemingly heavy handed moderation (or what is perceived as "censorship" in the past but I don't see Steam being particularly better or worse than any other like platform.
And as has been pointed out by others there's all sorts of weird and wonderful content out there which again would, to me, indicate that Steam is pretty lenient in what it sells.
like you guys/gals/other I feel the main gripe of some of the complainers is that they can't use certain insults/slurs/tropes like they do in the playground amongst their peers etc.
their type of "free speech" tends to dissolve on contact with reality.
I'm sure though that others can put it in a more nuanced and intelligent way than I.
What are you even trying to suggest? “Ditch the guidelines, since users Sub Rosa dislikes are actively engaged in discussion” is a rather self-serving, non-starting germ of an idea.
Again, folk disagreeing with you isn't always them being wrong en masse or as you put it a "circlejerk".
it is, right?
kinda why trolls like to post them to begin with
How is a video game developer deciding they want to update their female character designs to be less sexiest " censorship" ?
Thats the exact opposite, they use their free will and rights to change the game how they want.
People not liking that change is fine but its not "censorship" or "woke" in any form.
Every change you dont like is not automatically a "woke agenda" or censorship.
Times change. Societies change. Perspectives change.
What is perceived as acceptable and what is not changes.
This is nothing new, this has been going on since human civilization began.
Less you all fail to notice this had nothing to do with Valve, OP got banned by a Game moderator, not Valve.