kuniku 5 ENE 2023 a las 16:43
is valve pro censorship?
there are few community hubs that you get ban for saying word ukrainen (its almost like they saying ukrainan doesn't exits) and valve wont do anythink about that
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Paratech2008 7 ENE 2023 a las 19:40 
Ask Roseanne Barr about spewing racist stuff online or Howard Cossell who used to be on TV.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 7 ENE 2023 a las 19:46 
Publicado originalmente por Paratech2008:
Ask Roseanne Barr about spewing racist stuff online or Howard Cossell who used to be on TV.

Did Michael Richards learn his lesson?

:qr:
Paratech2008 7 ENE 2023 a las 19:50 
I dunno. I doubt the two I mentioned did...
Sneak 21 ENE 2023 a las 1:45 
Publicado originalmente por kuniku:
there are few community hubs that you get ban for saying word ukrainen (its almost like they saying ukrainan doesn't exits) and valve wont do anythink about that

Can't answer for current geo-political issues, but yes, Valve is commonly censoring discussions on their platform. I've first seen it on the discussion tab for the game Hardspace: Shipbreaker. A common discussion theme was the politically controversial story of the game and the fact that players aren't able to skip any of it. Valve had multiple of their employees (not devs of the game) lock topics because they claim were "non-productive", or simply "too old".
it's your "right" to have awful opinions but it's also reasonable to have folk/steam call you out on them and sanction you if you post stuff that breaks the rules.

you can be anti woke and homophobic, but you can't expect normal folk to tolerate your bigotry etc and that includes Steam.

lastly, all art is "political" you just don't like to see things that you disagree with.
Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
I don't think any reasonable person can believe that racism should be tolerated on any platform, analogue or digital.
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Counterarguments are better than censorship and neither have to be tolerant of the issue.

Now, that said, there's also a time and place where it is wholly irrelevant.
Given that many games have demographic themes or can bring up concepts of individual character identity to consider, though, it would seem that for most things, there's at least some demographic-based discussions that are relevant. So, we come back to that initial statement :

Counterarguments are better than censorship and neither have to be tolerant of the issue. :seewhatyoudid:
Apollyon 21 ENE 2023 a las 3:19 
Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
it's your "right" to have awful opinions but it's also reasonable to have folk/steam call you out on them and sanction you if you post stuff that breaks the rules.

you can be anti woke and homophobic, but you can't expect normal folk to tolerate your bigotry etc and that includes Steam.

lastly, all art is "political" you just don't like to see things that you disagree with.

This comment oozes postmodern, neo-marxist arrogance. You claim we all have a right to voice our opinions, then follow it up with "if it's an opinion we don't like, we have the right to shun, silence and ban you for it". What gives you, or Valve, the right to decide which opinions are acceptable and which are "awful"? You are not a moral authority on anyone but yourself and your feelings are inconsequential to the rest of the world.
it depends.

some positions (racism/bigotry etc) are not worthy of "debate" and there's no "good ideas on both sides".

that and the inherent rules a "spirit" of the forums means that some posts discussions are simply out of scope and should be moderated.

that's not censorship.

(just in cae: don't quote voltaire at me, its not applicable)
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Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
it's your "right" to have awful opinions but it's also reasonable to have folk/steam call you out on them and sanction you if you post stuff that breaks the rules.

you can be anti woke and homophobic, but you can't expect normal folk to tolerate your bigotry etc and that includes Steam.

lastly, all art is "political" you just don't like to see things that you disagree with.

This comment oozes postmodern, neo-marxist arrogance. You claim we all have a right to voice our opinions, then follow it up with "if it's an opinion we don't like, we have the right to shun, silence and ban you for it". What gives you, or Valve, the right to decide which opinions are acceptable and which are "awful"? You are not a moral authority on anyone but yourself and your feelings are inconsequential to the rest of the world.

so, you think no laws or rules apply and each should be allowed to do anything we wish without consequences?

that's not gonna end well.

here, on steam, a private platform we all need to abide by the guidelines, like em or not.

one is free to go and set up ones own "free speech" space. Let us know how your unmoderated space goes.
Apollyon 21 ENE 2023 a las 3:33 
Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
so, you think no laws or rules apply and each should be allowed to do anything we wish without consequences?

that's not gonna end well.

here, on steam, a private platform we all need to abide by the guidelines, like em or not.

one is free to go and set up ones own "free speech" space. Let us know how your unmoderated space goes.
Your phobic syndrome regarding a forum of free thinking and expression is quite telling. You'd rather saddle this space with inane guidelines that, naturally, favor your views, than to allow everyone to express their unfiltered views and risk having your feelings hurt. You couldn't have proven me more right.
I bet you've hit that report button more than once, havnt you?

I have no power in setting the guidelines here.

I'd love to be able to say what i really think about some users that exist in this space but I don't because I realise what I agreed to when gaining admittance to these forums.

so, those guidelines actually hinder my desire to label some with adjectives I firmly beleive they deserve as I realise that would break the rules.

you see the guidelines work for everyone and whilst not perfect are generally a good thing for all of us.
Apollyon 21 ENE 2023 a las 3:48 
Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
I bet you've hit that report button more than once, havnt you?
In my opinion, the only thing the report button is good for is to get rid of spam. Then again, the block function helps hide that quite sufficiently, so it's probably entirely useless and should be removed.


Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
I have no power in setting the guidelines here.

I'd love to be able to say what i really think about some users that exist in this space but I don't because I realise what I agreed to when gaining admittance to these forums.

so, those guidelines actually hinder my desire to label some with adjectives I firmly beleive they deserve as I realise that would break the rules.

you see the guidelines work for everyone and whilst not perfect are generally a good thing for all of us.
Again, you prove my point. You value protecting your own personal feelings and those of other snowflakes over allowing unfiltered freedom of speech. That is problematic to me. Why should we place higher value on feelings of randoms than on free expression of their thoughts? I'd rather risk being offensive to someone than censor myself and my thoughts in favor of a "safe space". Clearly we disagree.
again, you are free to create your own "free speech" safe haven.

here, people don't have to put up with bigotry/racism/hate speech etc.

what censored views or opinions can't we have here that are productive or salient?

I don't see what we are missing in these forums that makes it objectively a poor place to discuss related issues.

you post here alot, it must suit you to a degree.

you also post some pretty awful views which I do disagree with but yet here we are having that conversation and we are not being censored.

I'd say, largely, that Steam have got moderation on roughly the right path.

far from ideal but no as draconian as you make out.

indeed if it were, you would not be here at all.
Última edición por -OrLoK- Слава Україн; 21 ENE 2023 a las 3:58
Ogami 21 ENE 2023 a las 4:02 
Publicado originalmente por 💀 Sub Rosa 💀:
Again, you prove my point. You value protecting your own personal feelings and those of other snowflakes over allowing unfiltered freedom of speech.

There is no such thing as "freedom of speech" on a privately owned platform like Steam.
Also "freedom of speech" is ONLY the right to have different opinions then your government and they cant arrest you for it.
It has absolutely nothing to do with being a bigot, racist, homophobe and so on without consequences and being called out for it.

"Freedom of Speech" is not "Freedom from Consequences".

Also the snowflake comment is funny, the biggest whiners that they cant continue to be racist and homophobic whenever they want are you guys.
You cant accept that society is changing and by now a solid majority rejects your views.

The biggest " but my free speech feelings!" whiners are people like you, not the ones who dont want to read bigoted garbage online.
Apollyon 21 ENE 2023 a las 4:05 
Publicado originalmente por -OrLoK- Слава Україн:
again, you are free to create your own "free speech" safe haven.

here, people don't have to put up with bigotry/racism/hate speech etc.

what censored views or opinions can't we have here that are productive or salient?

I don't see what we are missing in these forums that makes it objectively a poor place to discuss related issues.

you post here alot, it must suit you to a degree.

you also post some pretty awful views which I do disagree with but yet here we are having that conversation and we are not being censored.

I'd say, largely, that Steam have got moderation on roughly the right path.

far from ideal but no as draconian as you make out.

indeed if it were, you would not be here at all.
You make a lot of false statements. I have no need to create my own space, as I have no need to interact with you or the average joe schmo on the internet. I'm only here for my own personal entertainment, mostly provided to me by people who hold views similar to yours. If I wanted a "productive discussion" I assure you, I would look elsewhere.

Since you asked, I guess I'll humor you. What makes this place terrible and stifling is the exact set of guidelines you staunchly defend. If you can't express your unfiltered views, you can't really make the argument that you're thinking. You've saddled yourself with hindrances that force you to modify your thoughts into what Valve deems acceptable to be expressed. The game is already lost at this point.
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