What is up with this community being pro-corporation and anti-consumer

[grovercleavland0]

I am astounding how many people are literally against objectively good improvements to Steam, they use very wild and lame excuses to protect Valve from criticism and fight against improvements, and are very much against consumers

for example:

- being against users being able to play single player games without updating them if an update is available.

- Being against a better family share system, similar to how Oculus or Nintendo does it, where family members with in a household can play different games from the same account at the same time, and their system prevents abuses that could lose company money.

- Being against the idea of when you type in a cd-key into Steam's activate portal, that you see the exact product that is going to be activated when you press submit.

[Mad Scientist]

Oh grow up, people don't like your responses because it mostly comes from "I want". Keep your response on the already existing thread rather than making an entirely new one.

Its always the excuse that people are "anti consumer" and "pro big corpo" whenever people don't strictly get affirmation for their personal wants then lash out with such inaccurate claims.

[grovercleavland0]

Nothing I said is inaccurate, people are literally protecting Valve from good critism and good improvements to Steam for seemingly no good reason at all. This is a problem that gamers need to stand up against because there is a chance that Valve is listening to bad consumers who are cheering them on because they are pro-corp and anti-consumer.

I wouldn't be saything this if anybody who was against these good improvements actually came up with real valid reasons why those ideas are bad, but the fact is absolutely none of them came up with any good reasons at all, not a single one, they came up with wild claims with no proof and lame excuses.

[Mad Scientist]

You asked people to show proof after making your own outlandish inaccurate claims without providing such for your own. Double standards doesn't look well.

Two entirely different companies, one with a massive scope than the other. One more specific, the other more broad.

If you have an issue with someone said in that thread, I strongly suggest keeping it in that thread instead of being passive-aggressive by making a new thread about the same thing.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3203744275143957341/

[Haruspex]

I fail to see any pro-corporation and anti-consumer sentiment here.

Mostly what I see is this:

Początkowo opublikowane przez GuyWhoWants:

I want Steam to do this thing so I can play games without paying/troll the forums without getting banned/cheat without reprecussions/etc.

Początkowo opublikowane przez SteamCommunity:

Steam won't do that for very well considered reasons that perfectly justify why it can't be so.

Początkowo opublikowane przez GuyWhoWants:

Yes, but I want. Gimmie gimmie gimmie. Why are you so anti-consumer?

Then, failing to acquire any sentiment for the thing he wants, GuyWhoWants makes another thread whining about it.

[grovercleavland0]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mr. Gentlebot:

You asked people to show proof after making your own outlandish inaccurate claims without providing such for your own. Double standards doesn't look well.

Two entirely different companies, one with a massive scope than the other. One more specific, the other more broad.

If you have an issue with someone said in that thread, I strongly suggest keeping it in that thread instead of being passive-aggressive by making a new thread about the same thing.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3203744275143957341/

I gave 3 examples of bad behavior, but the actual problem is the bad behavior in of itself, and not the discussion for each one individually. Steam Community has a problem of people who are pro-corp and are anti-consumer, who are pro DRM usage all that the expense of the consumer, and they do that for really no good reason at all. That is the problem.

There is a bad behavioral problem that others in the community who want to see good changes to be done need to speak out against these pro-corp consumers who are anti-consumer.

[Brian9824]

Początkowo opublikowane przez grovercleavland0:

I am astounding how many people are literally against objectively good improvements to Steam, they use very wild and lame excuses to protect Valve from criticism and fight against improvements, and are very much against consumers

Sounds more like your talking about anyone who disagrees with you.



for example:

Początkowo opublikowane przez grovercleavland0:

- being against users being able to play single player games without updating them if an update is available.

Pretty simple, its an ignorant view point where you don't take into account that steam has 2 sets of customers, users and dev/publishers. As someone who has worked as a software developer we always want people to be update to date whenever possible.

Początkowo opublikowane przez grovercleavland0:

- Being against a better family share system, similar to how Oculus or Nintendo does it, where family members with in a household can play different games from the same account at the same time, and their system prevents abuses that could lose company money.

Same as above, you want more stuff, don't care that it would be readily abused and refuse to acknowledge the numerous reasons why not a single platform on PC does it

Początkowo opublikowane przez grovercleavland0:

- Being against the idea of when you type in a cd-key into Steam's activate portal, that you see the exact product that is going to be activated when you press submit.

Again same, you are fixed in your ways and refuse to listen.

Personally i think its more amazing how people on steam can be so blinded by their idea that they can't admit their is a flaw in it and would rather embarrass themselves then admit something they suggested has a problem with it....

[grovercleavland0]

again, this is not about the individual issues, those were examples of people being against good changes for no reason.

Początkowo opublikowane przez brian9824:

Pretty simple, its an ignorant view point where you don't take into account that steam has 2 sets of customers, users and dev/publishers. As someone who has worked as a software developer we always want people to be update to date whenever possible.

You ignored the ideas that completely debunk the idea that it would be an issue for developers if users could simply play what is already installed in their system and not update it for what ever reason they have, while still being fully aware there is an update available.

Same as above, you want more stuff, don't care that it would be readily abused and refuse to acknowledge the numerous reasons why not a single platform on PC does it

You ignore the systems that make it so there wouldn't be abuse. You also ignore that only Steam, of the listed stores, are the ones that prevent people in the same household from playing different games on the same account at the same time, the other stores do not prevent it.

Again same, you are fixed in your ways and refuse to listen.

Nope, people gave lame outlandish excuse with nothing to prove it would even be an issue. They presumed to talk for why Vale did something when Valve hasn't even stated why they did it the way they did it.

Personally i think its more amazing how people on steam can be so blinded by their idea that they can't admit their is a flaw in it and would rather embarrass themselves then admit something they suggested has a problem with it....

Yeah, that describes all these pro-corp/anti-consumer people I am talking about perfectly.