Steam reviews now only show helpful votes, and not unhelpful ones

[Shylaar]

Who thought this was a good idea? You now have no clue as to whether something is accurate or not. If a review has 10 helpful votes and 200 unhelpful votes all you can see is "10 people voted this as helpful" and you won't have any idea that the review is being condemned by people, likely for good reason.
If it's actually working as a point counter instead, so 15 helpful votes and 5 unhelpful votes would make it show "10 people voted this as helpful" then that's still a stupid idea, because you again don't have any clue of the relative perception of it.
For God's sake, change it back.

[999999999]

It won't be reverted...

http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/2666556941788470579

[僕の名前 (仮)]

Amount of dislikes wasnt accurate either. Do actually read review instead of looking amount of fanboys vs amount of haters pressed some button (which might not even read review)

[Solinarius☕]

Originally posted by SomeGuy:

Amount of dislikes wasnt accurate either. Do actually read review instead of looking amount of fanboys vs amount of haters pressed some button (which might not even read review)

It may have been subject to some abuse, but in the games in which I'm well versed, I can say that the community's assessment is often accurate. Now, the only way mindless/petty/uninformed reviews can be defamed is through comments, and the author can delete comments at will. Terrible change. Feels like overprotective mom ♥♥♥♥.

[Darren]

Originally posted by Solinarius:

Originally posted by SomeGuy:

Amount of dislikes wasnt accurate either. Do actually read review instead of looking amount of fanboys vs amount of haters pressed some button (which might not even read review)

It may have been subject to some abuse, but in the games in which I'm well versed, I can say that the community's assessment is often accurate. Now, the only way mindless/petty/uninformed reviews can be defamed is through comments, and the author can delete comments at will. Terrible change. Feels like overprotective mom ♥♥♥♥.

Or you could write your own more accurate review which by definition would garner more positive votes and replace the less helpful one.

Don't think about attacking viewd you don't agree with. Think more about explaining the view you hold better.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Solinarius:

Originally posted by SomeGuy:

Amount of dislikes wasnt accurate either. Do actually read review instead of looking amount of fanboys vs amount of haters pressed some button (which might not even read review)

It may have been subject to some abuse, but in the games in which I'm well versed, I can say that the community's assessment is often accurate. Now, the only way mindless/petty/uninformed reviews can be defamed is through comments, and the author can delete comments at will. Terrible change. Feels like overprotective mom ♥♥♥♥.

You mean among the community who liked the game well enough to be well versed. That's a bit on the bias don't y'think

[Shylaar]

Originally posted by Darren:

Or you could write your own more accurate review which by definition would garner more positive votes and replace the less helpful one.

Don't think about attacking viewd you don't agree with. Think more about explaining the view you hold better.

If only the most well written and accurate reviews were rated to the top every time then there wouldn't be anything about the review system to fix. A small handful of games getting review bombed by China does not warrant removing helpful information for the entire service.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Cerzel:

Originally posted by Darren:

Or you could write your own more accurate review which by definition would garner more positive votes and replace the less helpful one.

Don't think about attacking viewd you don't agree with. Think more about explaining the view you hold better.

If only the most well written and accurate reviews were rated to the top every time then there wouldn't be anything about the review system to fix. A small handful of games getting review bombed by China does not warrant removing helpful information for the entire service.

This isn't about china. This is about the systemic abuse and manipulation in general.

[Sandvich]

*user writes completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ review, but because it is long, everyone believes it and presses helpful*

*a bunch of comments are saying that the review is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but the reviewer deletes them all*

*some random dude sees this review and believes it and avoids a perfectly good game*

[Gus the Crocodile]

I do think this particular aspect of the changes is weird, yes. Not horrible - I'm never going to be against systems that display people's support of others' writing - just weird. Because Valve is usually so big on information existing for some organisational purpose, even a theoretical one, and yet yeah, there's nothing you can do with "6 users found this review helpful". 6 out of how many that saw it?

If you're only going to show upvotes, I feel like you may as well keep it private, so that the reviewer can get the morale boost of people supporting their work, without giving useless, context-free data to the public.

[Darren]

Well it sounds like this number is also getting some scaling some people that bot up/down vote reviews are removed from the displayed figure.

The intention seems to be entirely disincentivise any attempts to manipulate reviews.

[Shylaar]

We know what the intention is, the problem is that it's completely removing any context in which seeing how many helpful votes a review has gotten is useful.

[Mergan]

What is the point of showing only positive ratings, after all, now weak and not helpful reviews look like the good.
For example, if the review has 50 helpful posts out of 300 then it is obviously bad, and now when you see the 50 itself it looks like a good review.

Valve please show the ratings the old way!

[Bad_Racc]

An easy explanation:

https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/21/16687498/steam-review-bombs-helpful-system-trolls

[Shylaar]

We've seen the explantion already, man. We just don't agree with it, for reasons given in this thread.

[Kartoffelsuppe]

It's not like the reddit upboat system was helpful in the first place. It's the same problem Youtube has. You can press that yes or no button but nobody will understand why you did in the first place. I never cared because the substance is in the opinions itself.

They probably made this change to encourage people to share their thoughts. Before you would get downboated sometimes and you didn't even know why. That leaves people with the thought of not even bothering.