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"Minimalist", well rather an understatement! But not a wrong description I suppose...... and you're right that I don't like them - and that is not because they give bad reviews to games I love or vice versa. It's because they are retarded and skew pos/neg reviews counts.
That much is obvious! Otherwise I wouldn't have raised the issue in the first place. The reasons why I dislike them I already said in my OP.
Anyhow - what, in your infinite wisdom, is a spam review then?
Still waiting for an answer
If they're not against the rules and people don't find them relevant they'll sink in the bulk of other reviews.
If they're against the rules they'll get reported and looked at.
Note you cannot realistically demand user reviews to have any kind of standard.
Oneliner reviews (Line 'Classic', 'I'm hooked', 'So Good', 'Best game ever') While short are still on-topic.
I also saw something in Steam's Review TOS that "artificially manipulating good or bad review counts" is taboo. But I can't for the hell of me find the same page again right now!
Surely many of these useless reviews fall under that too! That second example I gave in the OP is openly admitting to it (and with some brass neck I might add)!
Then there's reviews that say "gud" but give a thumbs down! Or "nah" and give a thumbs up. Is that a kind of "deliberate misinformation"? Could that fall under manipulating good or bad counts? Or is it just stupid doing what stupid does?
And the trouble is with some, they *do* get loads of "yes that was useful" votes and those new steam awards........ and they give out "award points"!
Yet good, helpful and informative reviews remain without any upvotes or awards!
Here's a glowing example! Surely this is "off topic" from the game it's reviewing!
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198233842936/recommended/218620/
IMO that's also an "abuse" of that system if these people are all collectively gangbang, getting their mates to give each other these awards - for nothing more than making stupid reviews!
Different topic I know, but it's a daft system IMO, I think Steam should stop this "award" stuff.
Anyway, the above means that they don't fall into obscurity and the whole thing is not a self-solving problem! It's a never ending ongoing problem!
Because that precisely describes what they are.
Yes there is that.
Maybe Steam should at an "idiotic" button as well as the "funny" button to reviews - but hey, it would only be abused - so, nah. Steam just need to start actively clamping down on useless reviews instead of being so laissez-faire about it - as made obvious by some replies in this thread!
But there is a problem to voting "not helpful". It's redundant now, such votes do not show up anymore.
At one time you would see "2 out of 500 rate this as helpful". So you could see that 498 people thought the review to be kack. But now you just see "2 people rate this helpful".
In one way I'd rather keep the system as not showing negreps - because negrepping is just really a tool for cowardly trolls to troll anonymously. Such things still plague GOG for instance. On GOG people can even have perfectly good posts wiped (or at least "hidden") altogether due to mass negrepping by troll hordes. It's one thing where Steam are ahead of GOG for once!
Anyway, I think my little crusade against useless spam reviews is going nowhere. It's just *too* little, no-ones backing me up - quite the opposite in fact, I'm being persecuted in some threads - and me on my little own isn't going to change Steam policy. They'll only pay attention when it hurts their pockets.
And in that first example, reading through their recommendations. That seems to be a deliberate stylistic choice on their part. The second example admits to just being too lazy to come up with any detailed commentary.
What's obvios is that you don't like the stle of those reviews. Thats it. Its all on you.
Well spam wold be where you have one person repeatedly posting the same thing on the same review. Since you can only ever leave one recommendation per account per game... its actually impossible to declare any review as spam, without considerable evidence. A person creating multiple accounts to leave multiple reviews would be seen as boosting or bombing and wopuld if caught would lead to disciplinary measures from Valve. If the person caught doing that is a publisher/developer. Said developer gets booted from the store at mach 3.
And that there seems to be a pattern to which is used makes them valid.
I've seen All kinds of formats and styles for reviews, both on steam and in the wider media. I came acrossone that was delivered in the form of Haiku. AI've seen some done in the form of limrick.
Because it was irrelevant . That 500 people say they didn't find it helpful doesn't stop number 501 from finding it helpful.
Yup. But keep in mind the helpfulness rating affects visibility and ranking... if the viewer is sorting reviews by "most helpful".
Because the problem is specifically a *YOU* problem.
You're doing the equivalent of saying that country western shouldn't be considered music because you don't like country western.
There, you got want you wanted, now go away please.
They can be reported and will be reviewed. You have to keep in mind the system is not proactive (Besides checking for malware links within the review) and items have to be reported to be looked at.
People have been asking for 'neutral' reviews for a long time. Maybe it's people trying to do that ('Good game, but don't recommend')
Of course people trolling for the sake of it is always a factor. That's what the report button is there for.
Just like you can't expect a standard on writing reviews you can't control what people find helpful or want to upvote. (That's why I barely look at helpfulness of reviews and just read their contents for the information I want from them)
I have to agree the awards do bring an added layer of noise (As there's an actual profit from receiving them) But Valve wants to roll that way.
That's why the review system does not show negative votes. If people are spamming votes, those are treated as 'spam' votes and not accounted for the helpfulness rating. If downvotes were shown spammers would instantly know if their brigading works or not.
Removing the downvotes means they have no way to be sure of the up/down vote ratio and or if their spamming is working. Making them work for nothing.
People have purchased the game, they can leave a recommendation. Adding lots of text is not a requirement.
Aside from the fact you are still salty.
Sorry. He's not going to be coming around for another 476 days.
Also being able to essentially accurately illustrate the issue and counter your arguments makes me arrogant? aggressive? a sophist?
Or are you just pulling the "everyone who disagrees with me is a bad person" like some lazily written YA protagonist?
When you start a discussion it would behoove ye to remember that not everyone is going to agree with you and some people will point out when you are incorrect. If you expect otherwise, then you're not looking for a discussion.. you're looking for an echo chamber.
DOn't put words in my mouth. I'm perfectly capable of isulting you on my own should I deem it relevant or fun.
On second thought, do please continue.
You know I never thought i'd get the chance to use this clip...
https://youtu.be/lxFxRXCG73M
No cherry on top?
Request DENIED!
Seriously, all(most) joking aside. The only thing I've said is that your problem is strictly a matter of your preference in style. That's literally all it amounts to. We already pointed out that its very hard to spam reviews since well...no one said the commetary that goes with your recommendation has to be some sort of masterwork thesis.
Heck if you're clever you can leave it blank. If you deem the minimalist style to be not helpful to you, then you can downvote and move on with your life. If you feel its part of some coordinated boosting or bombing campaign then you can report it. Otherwise. they have as much right to their preferred style as you have to your opinion of their preferred style of writing M'lad.
"It's okey I guess.".
And I had no clue why but then when I saw that the guy had over 10.000 hours in it. I just laughed, it was brilliant! :P
EDIT: can't remember the game. :/
@Tito Shivan:-
People have been asking for 'neutral' reviews for a long time. Maybe it's people trying to do that ('Good game, but don't recommend')
Of course people trolling for the sake of it is always a factor. That's what the report button is there for.
Have Steam considered opting for a 5-star rating system, or a marks out of 10 system?
2 or 3 stars, or a 5/10 would do as a "neutral" vote.
Of course if implemented there is then the rather significant problem of backtracking this new system to the millions of already existing "thumbs up or down" reviews. So actually, no, it don't sound feasable. I don't expect Steam will be able change the existing system. But people could also put that in their review texts as well as just "gud"........ I can see it now, "5/10 wud 5/10 bst gam eva agen"!
PS/ I have tried testing out "the report button"...... on a few more deserving ones, ie as Tito said, things that are just "." or "f\dfjkjkjkn". So far, there's been no result.
What that means is that a party, who is not you and lacking your biases did not see a problem based on their understanding of the rules. At worst. More likely, time factor and low priority.
That should have been your first hint that your issue is internal and subjective, not objective.
If another person, or other people can look at the same thing and come to different or opposing views, then its all internal. Some people like the minimalist style. Some people like joke memes. Some people like 2K word essays.
Strokes, Folks, different