Bad use of "SIMULATION" or "SIMULATOR" tag

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Guys... please can you STOP using the "simulation" or "simulator" tag for every game out there? I want to clean my steam browsing by filtering tags and it happens that the simulation tag is everywhere!
City building games? BOOM! simulator tag!
Action shooter? BOOM! simulator tag!
Farming RPG? BOOM! simulator tag!
RTS old school? BOOM! now it is considered a f***ing SIMULATOR!!!!!

STOP USING THE SIMULATOR TAG FOR EVERYTING!! PLEASE LET IT BE USED FOR REAL SIMULATORS like flight simulators or some driving simulators.


EDIT:

If any Steam dev happens to read this thread (I doubt this) please I ask you to take action by:

A. Stop the people from creating tags and tagging. No more free will to create tags and use them to tag games.

B. Narrow down to the core tags, that is leaving only the basic tags e.g strategy, simulation, rpg... etc they should be available only for steam staff, store mantainers and devs to tag their own games (which MUST be approved by steam staff).

C. Create an internal set of rules defining how the tags will be used by devs and staff. Too diferent tags can´t be used in the same game (e.g Strategy, Sports) . Games should only have no more than one or two tags. Obviously they must make sense.






D. TAG RULES:

1 - Simulation tag should be used only for Flight Sims, Driving Sims and no more than that.

2 - FPS are just FPS (even if they are realistic like ARMA series).

3 - Strategy games are no more "simulation" games even if the name states so (e.g Simcity).

3B-Strategy games tags should use the criteria of "old school" strategy games. Chess games for example would fall into the "board game" tag. Management and city building tags dilute into Strategy.

4 - RPGs are just RPGs. Even if they are turn based with strategy elements or other elements. JRPGs (and many others that don´t come to my mind right now) dilute into the RPG tag.

5 - Visual novels (in my opinion should be wiped off the entire store) should be in the visual novel tag. No RPG or Adventure should be mixed in them. (hell they should be banned.. they are not even games!)

6 - Indie games. You can´t tag a game because it is indie. It MUST fall into one of the other main tags.

7 - "Living simulators" are not a genre. They are either RPGS (e.g Stardew Valley) or Sandbox (The sims series). For the curious: why the difference? in Stardew Valley you follow a history line. In The Sims, you don´t. Also RPG means Rol Playing Game if you didn´t know.

8 - Adult tagging. Adult games should only be used for explicit porn or erotic games (with "erotic" I mean a game that is based on nudity.
8B- Games that have some kind of erotic moments in it storyline (no porn intended) are OUT of this tag and are rated with conventional R ratings in the steam store. They must be tagged according to its main genre.
8C- Hentai tag (and alikes) is/are diluted into adult tag.
8D- Puzzle games with erotic/pornographic images go into the adult tag. Not Puzzle.

9 - Puzzle tag is strictly for puzzle games. No more puzzle tag in Zelda -esque games. THOSE ARE RPGS, REMEMBER.

10 - "Crafting" games are reserved to Minecraft clones in all their flavors. (yeah millions of them lately).

11 - "Survival" games could be mixed with "Horror" if the case happens.

12 - Zombie tag.
12B- If the game has zombies but you have to build a base to hold them in isometric view, it is a Strategy tag (thinking of Stronghold series here, something like that with zombies).
12C- If the game has zombies and you have to survive see point 11.
12D- If the game has zombies and you run like crazy with a gun top down view it is a shooter.
12E- You can figure out the rest

13 - Limit the "Adventure" tag. Remember, the plot should be used to tag only if the game cannot be tagged as any of the other primary tags. You will find that most of the now called "adventure" games are platformers disguised in 3D.

14 - Sports. Driving games should NOT be tagged as sports. This is purely to mantain order in the tagging system. (I totally know that car racing are sports in real life, but please erase that from your mind, we are NOT using real life thinking to tag, it is purely to make easier the sorting, filtering and searching of the store; this applies to all the rules above by the way)

15 - Users should STILL (yeah I know you can do it as it is now, thanks) be able to report bad tags.

[Crazy Tiger]

There isn't a standard about genres and tags. They're all subjective and based on opinions.

Personally I find building and farming games to be simulators.

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Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

There isn't a standard about genres and tags. They're all subjective and based on opinions.

Personally I find building and farming games to be simulators.

Then... why do we have a tag system? it doesn´t make any sense if there are no conventions on what is what. Personally I think that you are completely wrong, and should be using "Building" and "Farming" tags instead.

It´s like me using the "Game" tag for every genre out there.

No sense.

[Crazy Tiger]

You are entitled to your opinion.

We have the tag system so people can add them to games for better searches. The system does need an update in that, though.

But again, just because you find games not to be genre X, doesn't make it so.

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Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

You are entitled to your opinion.

We have the tag system so people can add them to games for better searches. The system does need an update in that, though.

But again, just because you find games not to be genre X, doesn't make it so.

How can I do a better search if suddenly every game out there is considered a simulator?
That is why I complain, we have to educate ourselves, change the paradigm, we have to think better; command & conquer(ish) games are "RTS" not "futuristic war simulation"... Stardew Valley is an "RPG" not "Farming and living simulator", Simcity is a "city builder" not a "city management simulator".

We have to learn to think more clearly when using tags, they are meant to be a way to FILTER. And if you use the same tag for 90% games out there, you filter them all!

Think what you want about the genre I´m not saying what you must think for yourself, but the tag should be straight what the game is, old school talking: RTS, RPG, Simulator (e.g for driving and flight), Action, FPS, etc etc etc...

[MadBone12]

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

How can I do a better search if suddenly every game out there is considered a simulator?
That is why I complain, we have to educate ourselves, change the paradigm, we have to think better; command & conquer(ish) games are "RTS" not "futuristic war simulation"... Stardew Valley is an "RPG" not "Farming and living simulator", Simcity is a "city builder" not a "city management simulator".

We have to learn to think more clearly when using tags, they are meant to be a way to FILTER. And if you use the same tag for 90% games out there, you filter them all!

Think what you want about the genre I´m not saying what you must think for yourself, but the tag should be straight what the game is, old school talking: RTS, RPG, Simulator (e.g for driving and flight), Action, FPS, etc etc etc...

City builders are simulators to me. Not to you. One of us adds a simulator tag the other doesn't. Why should your definition of simulation be the standard one? It isn't, so there are tags on games you won't agree with. Unless Steam is going to create standard definitions for each genre, and then also monitor which tags are applied to which games (or remove user-generated tags entirely), there will always be tags you disagree with. It's just the way it is.

[Crazy Tiger]

"old school" is completely irrelevant in todays time. Genres have evolved, games have become mixtures of genres.
You say that we have to educate ourselves, but you are pushing your way of thinking.

Stardew Valley, like Harvest Moon and its ilk, are a Farming & dating simulator, there is nothing RPG like about it for me. Simcity and Cities Skylines are both city builders and city management simulators for me.
Management and tycoon games are business simulators.

Again, it's all subjective.

If you want to search by tags, you use a combination of tags. Personally I've never searched by tags, never had the need for it.

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OK guys, keep screwing the tag system, tag all the games as simulators. Oh wait, you already did it.

Thanks.

[Count_Dandyman]

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

OK guys, keep screwing the tag system, tag all the games as simulators. Oh wait, you already did it.

Thanks.

Or you could start learning to narrow your focus and not rely on one of the most broad and generic tags as a filter and blame others when it doesn't work.

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Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

OK guys, keep screwing the tag system, tag all the games as simulators. Oh wait, you already did it.

Thanks.

Or you could start learning to narrow your focus and not rely on one of the most broad and generic tags as a filter and blame others when it doesn't work.

Oh yes! you are right, I should find a way around because you use a classification system as tags to "classify" all games with the same tag.

Neat.

You are right, its me, not you.

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now, if you excuse me, I have to go. I have to play some "card simulator game" or solitaire as they call it.

Thanks!

[Crazy Tiger]

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

OK guys, keep screwing the tag system, tag all the games as simulators. Oh wait, you already did it.

Thanks.

I have only once tagged a game and that was for some quest in a sale.

But it's good to see you act like a toddler when people disagree with you.

[Count_Dandyman]

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

Count_Dandyman eredeti hozzászólása:

Or you could start learning to narrow your focus and not rely on one of the most broad and generic tags as a filter and blame others when it doesn't work.

Oh yes! you are right, I should find a way around because you use a classification system as tags to "classify" all games with the same tag.

Neat.

You are right, its me, not you.

Still missing the point to continue your little tantrum and blame others for your failures I see.

Simulation is a tag that will be on almost all games and has been used that way much longer than you think after all what do you think the Sim in SimCity stood for?

Your going to have to accept the reality that not all tags are focused on only one or two types of game and learn to focus on the ones that are instead.

[nullable]

El coso malo de la muerte eredeti hozzászólása:

OK guys, keep screwing the tag system, tag all the games as simulators. Oh wait, you already did it.

Thanks.

Good luck trying to herd 100 million users to follow your directions...

[Aachen]

Why not try the ol’ “Taboo” with the terms simulation and simulator?

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Oh sorry I missed a lot of great comments because I was distracted with the "mail simulator" that is "outlook".

It is funny how stubborn people can be and how hard it is to use things the way where meant be used. It is steam fault to give freedom to people to make their own tags.

What can you expect from this people?

'Don't give people what they want, give them what they need.'