Bad use of "SIMULATION" or "SIMULATOR" tag

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Guys... please can you STOP using the "simulation" or "simulator" tag for every game out there? I want to clean my steam browsing by filtering tags and it happens that the simulation tag is everywhere!
City building games? BOOM! simulator tag!
Action shooter? BOOM! simulator tag!
Farming RPG? BOOM! simulator tag!
RTS old school? BOOM! now it is considered a f***ing SIMULATOR!!!!!

STOP USING THE SIMULATOR TAG FOR EVERYTING!! PLEASE LET IT BE USED FOR REAL SIMULATORS like flight simulators or some driving simulators.


EDIT:

If any Steam dev happens to read this thread (I doubt this) please I ask you to take action by:

A. Stop the people from creating tags and tagging. No more free will to create tags and use them to tag games.

B. Narrow down to the core tags, that is leaving only the basic tags e.g strategy, simulation, rpg... etc they should be available only for steam staff, store mantainers and devs to tag their own games (which MUST be approved by steam staff).

C. Create an internal set of rules defining how the tags will be used by devs and staff. Too diferent tags can´t be used in the same game (e.g Strategy, Sports) . Games should only have no more than one or two tags. Obviously they must make sense.






D. TAG RULES:

1 - Simulation tag should be used only for Flight Sims, Driving Sims and no more than that.

2 - FPS are just FPS (even if they are realistic like ARMA series).

3 - Strategy games are no more "simulation" games even if the name states so (e.g Simcity).

3B-Strategy games tags should use the criteria of "old school" strategy games. Chess games for example would fall into the "board game" tag. Management and city building tags dilute into Strategy.

4 - RPGs are just RPGs. Even if they are turn based with strategy elements or other elements. JRPGs (and many others that don´t come to my mind right now) dilute into the RPG tag.

5 - Visual novels (in my opinion should be wiped off the entire store) should be in the visual novel tag. No RPG or Adventure should be mixed in them. (hell they should be banned.. they are not even games!)

6 - Indie games. You can´t tag a game because it is indie. It MUST fall into one of the other main tags.

7 - "Living simulators" are not a genre. They are either RPGS (e.g Stardew Valley) or Sandbox (The sims series). For the curious: why the difference? in Stardew Valley you follow a history line. In The Sims, you don´t. Also RPG means Rol Playing Game if you didn´t know.

8 - Adult tagging. Adult games should only be used for explicit porn or erotic games (with "erotic" I mean a game that is based on nudity.
8B- Games that have some kind of erotic moments in it storyline (no porn intended) are OUT of this tag and are rated with conventional R ratings in the steam store. They must be tagged according to its main genre.
8C- Hentai tag (and alikes) is/are diluted into adult tag.
8D- Puzzle games with erotic/pornographic images go into the adult tag. Not Puzzle.

9 - Puzzle tag is strictly for puzzle games. No more puzzle tag in Zelda -esque games. THOSE ARE RPGS, REMEMBER.

10 - "Crafting" games are reserved to Minecraft clones in all their flavors. (yeah millions of them lately).

11 - "Survival" games could be mixed with "Horror" if the case happens.

12 - Zombie tag.
12B- If the game has zombies but you have to build a base to hold them in isometric view, it is a Strategy tag (thinking of Stronghold series here, something like that with zombies).
12C- If the game has zombies and you have to survive see point 11.
12D- If the game has zombies and you run like crazy with a gun top down view it is a shooter.
12E- You can figure out the rest

13 - Limit the "Adventure" tag. Remember, the plot should be used to tag only if the game cannot be tagged as any of the other primary tags. You will find that most of the now called "adventure" games are platformers disguised in 3D.

14 - Sports. Driving games should NOT be tagged as sports. This is purely to mantain order in the tagging system. (I totally know that car racing are sports in real life, but please erase that from your mind, we are NOT using real life thinking to tag, it is purely to make easier the sorting, filtering and searching of the store; this applies to all the rules above by the way)

15 - Users should STILL (yeah I know you can do it as it is now, thanks) be able to report bad tags.

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Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

You can jail the troublesome people and do that eternally or you can slowly educate people and normalize the situation.

Where is this country wherein education has eliminated the need for jails?

You don´t eliminate jails. You minimize the problem. For example, cuarantine now minimizes the covid-19 contagion, it doesn´t cure it; but at least you can control it easier.

[AustrAlien2010]

What about the "realism"-tag?
It's not yet listed, it seems.

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Origineel geplaatst door AustrAlien2010:

What about the "realism"-tag?
It's not yet listed, it seems.

Please.... don´t give them ideas... I´m trying to make them understand that the games should have the core playing mechanics as a tag instead of "what you think the game is" tag

[Aachen]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

You don´t eliminate jails. You minimize the problem. For example, cuarantine now minimizes the covid-19 contagion, it doesn´t cure it; but at least you can control it easier.

I thought you were implying an analogue to the issue you have in the aforequoted post.

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Origineel geplaatst door Aachen:

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

You don´t eliminate jails. You minimize the problem. For example, cuarantine now minimizes the covid-19 contagion, it doesn´t cure it; but at least you can control it easier.

I thought you were implying an analogue to the issue you have in the aforequoted post.

what I´m trying to say is that if we know that we are doing something wrong, we will at least try to avoid doing it. Multiply the effect and many people will think twice before commiting the same error, thus the problem can be controlled. Of course we will always have the occational dumb, but hey nothing is perfect.

[Crazy Tiger]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

Origineel geplaatst door AustrAlien2010:

What about the "realism"-tag?
It's not yet listed, it seems.

Please.... don´t give them ideas... I´m trying to make them understand that the games should have the core playing mechanics as a tag instead of "what you think the game is" tag

Except that you're making a thread based on what you think a game is...

[AustrAlien2010]

Sim City is a simulator, because it says so.
But you could also call it a puzzle game, perhaps?

[Aachen]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

what I´m trying to say is that if we know that we are doing something wrong, we will at least try to avoid doing it. Multiply the effect and many people will think twice before commiting the same error, thus the problem can be controlled. Of course we will always have the occational dumb, but hey nothing is perfect.

It’s a really bad analogy, then, I wit.

[MadBone12]

Wow, you need to take a deep breath or eat some fruit or something. You're overreacting over such a minor issue.

[AustrAlien2010]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1018800/DEEEER_Simulator_Your_Average_Everyday_Deer_Game/0

"Accurate" deer simulation.

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Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

Please.... don´t give them ideas... I´m trying to make them understand that the games should have the core playing mechanics as a tag instead of "what you think the game is" tag

Except that you're making a thread based on what you think a game is...

Look. I will write this only once:

Command & Conquer = [RTS], [Strategy]
Command & Conquer ≠ [Simulation]

Simcity = [City Builder] , [Strategy]
Simcity ≠ [Simulation]

Whatever_Tycoon_Game = [Strategy], [Management]
Whatever_Tycoon_Game ≠ [Simulation]

Euro Truck simulator 2090 = [Simulation], [Driving]
Euro Truck simulator 2090 ≠ [Strategy], [Management]

ARMA = [Simulation], [FPS]
ARMA ≠ [Strategy]

Even if some strategy is used during gameplay like in ARMA series, you can´t TAG it as Strategy or you will annoy a lot of people searching for isometric RTS, management strategy or city building games.

The core gameplay mechanics are what the game is for the most part. You MUST NOT tag e.g ARMA games as Strategy EVEN if it has some strategy in it.

You remind me of the people that tags music like "rock ballad heavy riffs with electro pop" ...what is the core music style? rock? ballad? pop? you have to mantain this in the most minimalistic description possible.

You would not say Led Zeppelin is a ballad band because they have some.
You can´t possibly say that a tycoon game is a simulator (again, even if you feel totally immersed in the game and think of this as a simulation of real life, the game has all the classic elements of a strategy game.)

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Origineel geplaatst door AustrAlien2010:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1018800/DEEEER_Simulator_Your_Average_Everyday_Deer_Game/0

"Accurate" deer simulation.

I love you too, pal.

[Washell]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

You remind me of the people that tags music like "rock ballad heavy riffs with electro pop" ...what is the core music style? rock? ballad? pop? you have to mantain this in the most minimalistic description possible.

You do realize that debate has been going ever since magazines and popular music became a thing and shattered into a thousand pieces? Decades! And you think you can fix tags by talking to a literal handful of the thousands to millions of users that tag? I admire your optimism.

[Crazy Tiger]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

Origineel geplaatst door Crazy Tiger:

Except that you're making a thread based on what you think a game is...

Look. I will write this only once:

Command & Conquer = [RTS], [Strategy]
Command & Conquer ≠ [Simulation]

Simcity = [City Builder] , [Strategy]
Simcity ≠ [Simulation]

Whatever_Tycoon_Game = [Strategy], [Management]
Whatever_Tycoon_Game ≠ [Simulation]

Euro Truck simulator 2090 = [Simulation], [Driving]
Euro Truck simulator 2090 ≠ [Strategy], [Management]

ARMA = [Simulation], [FPS]
ARMA ≠ [Strategy]

Even if some strategy is used during gameplay like in ARMA series, you can´t TAG it as Strategy or you will annoy a lot of people searching for isometric RTS, management strategy or city building games.

The core gameplay mechanics are what the game is for the most part. You MUST NOT tag e.g ARMA games as Strategy EVEN if it has some strategy in it.

You remind me of the people that tags music like "rock ballad heavy riffs with electro pop" ...what is the core music style? rock? ballad? pop? you have to mantain this in the most minimalistic description possible.

You would not say Led Zeppelin is a ballad band because they have some.
You can´t possibly say that a tycoon game is a simulator (again, even if you feel totally inmersed in the game and think of this as a simulation of real life, the game has all the classic elements of a strategy game.)

The strategy on ARMA and ETS is weird, as is simulator on C&C, that I agree on. But city builders and tycoons *are* simulators and ETS has management features.

You can keep on trying to proclaim your opinion as truth, it doesn't make it true.

You remind me of the person with the soap box on the corner of the street, screaming all kinds of things yet everyone simply walks past him.

[Yasahi]

Origineel geplaatst door El coso malo de la muerte:

Guys... please can you STOP using the "simulation" or "simulator" tag for every game out there? I want to clean my steam browsing by filtering tags and it happens that the simulation tag is everywhere!
City building games? BOOM! simulator tag!
Action shooter? BOOM! simulator tag!
Farming RPG? BOOM! simulator tag!
RTS old school? BOOM! now it is considered a f***ing SIMULATOR!!!!!

STOP USING THE SIMULATOR TAG FOR EVERYTING!! PLEASE LET IT BE USED FOR REAL SIMULATORS like flight simulators or some driving simulators.

You are not the authority on what is considered a simulator. Any dictionary would show that you're wrong.

Lets take Merriam-Webster as an example and look at the words simulator, to simulate and simulation.

"Definition of simulator
: one that simulates
especially : a device that enables the operator to reproduce or represent under test conditions phenomena likely to occur in actual performance"

"Definition of simulate
transitive verb

1: to give or assume the appearance or effect of often with the intent to deceive : IMITATE
2: to make a simulation of (something, such as a physical system)"

"Definition of simulation
1: the act or process of simulating
2: a sham object : COUNTERFEIT
3a: the imitative representation of the functioning of one system or process by means of the functioning of another
a computer simulation of an industrial process
b: examination of a problem often not subject to direct experimentation by means of a simulating device"

Under those conditions a wide variety of games can be called simulators. SimCity simulates the functioning of several systems and processes for example.

Every physics based puzzle game is a simulator too. They all simulate phenomena likely to occur in actual performance.

Strategy games can be simulators. The whole idea of wargaming is to simulate different scenarios.