What makes people add a game to Wishlist but not buy it?

[Sargon]

Do people wait for the right price? Even when the game is already on sale, they might wait for a lower price?
Maybe they wait for more reviews or any review?
Maybe they want to see the developer is updating the game?

So what makes people add a game to a wishlist but not buy it?

[Eldin]

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

Publicado originalmente por Eldin:

All multiplayer games lose playerbase and eventually become "dead". But single player games can be played anytime and don't have "expiration date"

That's why I always make a big stink on how the feature of adding bots to multiplayer games stopped being a thing years ago. And that's why I almost exclusively buy MP games that actually include bots for single player gaming.

Funny how I can still launch Quake III or UT and have a bot match even if there were nobody else out there to play. But once any new MP game community moves elsewhere the game becomes as useful as a fart in the wind.

I still hold Valve to a high standard because they do still include bot-matches for their games TF2, DOTA 2, CSGO (Though I'm still waiting for Danger Zone bots...) Even Artifact and Underlords have solo matches against AI.

Yeah, bots are great.
When I buy new game, I always like to practice with bots first before playing multiplayer, so when I start playing multiplayer I'm prepared and know where to go and what to do.

I noticed that there's no way to figure out from the store page, does multiplayer game have bots.

I had game called Storm United in my library but I haven't tried it immediately. But when I downloaded and launched it, I got greeted with endless "Connecting to servers"
Now that game is completely useless because it's impossible to get past by connecting to servers screen.
Since then, before purchasing games I always first look does game requires connection to game servers and does it have bots for solo playing.

Publicado originalmente por 8ullfrog:

As to murder football, it just bores me. I used to wish that single player and multiplayer clients could be sold separately, but now I realize the publishers would just go with the multiplayer client and not bother with the SP.

Because multiplayer games are easier to make.
You make a map and it can be played millions of times. But in single player game devs have to create detailed levels and players would go through there just once.
And in multiplayer games you don't have to program AI, write story, create cutscenes, pay professional voice actors, etc.

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por Eldin:

I noticed that there's no way to figure out from the store page, does multiplayer game have bots.

I always look at the forums for that one. Some of the games out there still feature it on their store pages but they're not so many.

Publicado originalmente por Eldin:

You make a map and it can be played millions of times. But in single player game devs have to create detailed levels and players would go through there just once.

Or you make your game.... PROCEDURAL!!!

Publicado originalmente por Eldin:

And in multiplayer games you don't have to program AI, write story, create cutscenes, pay professional voice actors, etc.

Kind of ironic how despite being a field that has made outrageous advances in other fields of CS, AI has been forgotten and tossed aside by most of the gaming industry.

And if you read into it, most of the highly praised AIs games had in the past worked basically through Smoke and mirrors.
You don't need an advanced AI in order to look like it works as an advanced AI.

People still praise F.E.A.R. AI as pretty damn good one. But most of what made it works is mostly based on how their behavior is presented to you. In that regard all the Radio chatter of FEAR's AI plays a huge role on how it feels so lively and great (Something HL2 AI also did at its time)

There's some interesting reads out there about how HL2 and FEAR AIs work if you are interested in the subject.

Also (another argument usually brought against the use of bots in games) they do not need to equate to a human counterpart. They're there to fulfill a role and fill a void. Not to be a replacement for a human player.

Speaking of which and going back to the wishlist discussion. Is the reason why instead of putting it on my wishlist I placed PAYDAY2 on my following list for more than a year.

The devs decided than -unlike the previous games- This one wouldn't have any kind of solo play or bots at all. Only wishlisted it after they changed their minds and added single player gamemode with bots.

Wishlist is the place where I have the games I've already made a (positive) purchase decision and only pricing and priorities are factors to account. My followed list is the place for 'Still missing features/development' storage room.

[Count D'Cinamon]

For me there's 2 main reason why i put games on wishlist. 1st, i might want the game but wait for the right price or wait till i got money to spend on it and 2nd is sometimes i feel like a game is cool but not necesarilly the game im into or that interested to play soon or something i'm still not certain i'd like or not.

[dat_potatoe]

It's so hard for me to find games I actually want these days. But I gotta play SOMETHING, right?

So I put games on my wishlist that I'm mildly interested in then compare the various games to determine which is the best value since I'm nowhere near interested enough to buy all of them. Most games just get deleted from my list after awhile.

Otherwise for games I actually am seriously interested in I use the wishlist to monitor their prices, development and reviews.

[NeXuS23]

Here my two cents about.

Wishlisting is like bookmarking for me and makes it easier to find and actually purchase later.

I also move games around and games where I loose interest move down and games that are on the bottom are the games that I most probably won't purchase and I will remove first.

If a game I wishlisted is later known to have Denuvo, it is removed instantly and also put on ignore.

If I purchased a game I wishlisted on another platform (Xbox One X) because it had Denuvo or wasn't available on Steam because of Epis exclusivity, I also remove it but then put it on Ignored (played on another platform) instead.

So the number one reason I don't purchase games on Steam that were on my wishlist is definitely Denuvo.

Another reason is that I simply lose interest, but those normally slowly move down in the list first until I eventually remove them.

[8ullfrog]

I just shot Ubisoft an offer for a game pack below their currently listed price. I'm not holding my breath, but if I get a response I will post it.

I just felt like wishlist was not proactive enough, and that I should actually reach out to the publishers. Might they find my low cash offers offensive? Sure! But if I don't try, I will never know.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por 8ullfrog:

I just shot Ubisoft an offer for a game pack below their currently listed price. I'm not holding my breath, but if I get a response I will post it.

I just felt like wishlist was not proactive enough, and that I should actually reach out to the publishers. Might they find my low cash offers offensive? Sure! But if I don't try, I will never know.

How do you make them a price offer like that?

[The HopelessGamer™]

I use it as a bookmark system. It tells me when stuff is on sale and it means i wont forget what games i want. I like to get stuff when it is over 50% off though. Not a fan of full price unless its worth it like Cyberpunk 2077 or Halo when it comes out.

[8ullfrog]

I just... made the offer. I'm not saying they accepted. I honestly don't expect them to.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por 8ullfrog:

I just... made the offer. I'm not saying they accepted. I honestly don't expect them to.

I mean, how, mechanically, did you make the offer? By what means did you send them the offer? Is there a webpage with a "offer what you want to pay and we'll consider changing their price"? Or did you just send them an e-mail or tweet or Discord chat comment saying "hey I'd buy X if you lowered the price to Y"?

[8ullfrog]

Oh, no, nothing like that, they don't offer anything of the sort. I made the offer on their forum. I honestly don't expect any response from them, but that's my price point. I don't use discord, ever. I consider it a sewer.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Publicado originalmente por 8ullfrog:

Oh, no, nothing like that, they don't offer anything of the sort. I made the offer on their forum. I honestly don't expect any response from them, but that's my price point. I don't use discord, ever. I consider it a sewer.

I was just suggesting plausible ways of contacting the publisher.

I guess what you did counts as an "offer" technically. Not like people would usually call it such, but yeah. I mean, I had the mental image of you being a commodities trader making an "offer" to buy up something as a business deal, so lol

[8ullfrog]

I understand where you are coming from. My post was moved from the general forum to uPlay. I don't expect much more response than that.

I did get the fairly decent support guy to say he doesn't believe that Ubisoft recognizes Haggling, and that's about what I expected. I'm willing to pay $20, their "sale price" is $49.99, and current price is $119.00.

I would absolutely accept a "You're Crazy" from Ubisoft. But I'm being honest. $20 is my price point.

I mean I picked up FC3 for 2.99 at goodwill, but that's secondary market, 360 platform, and it's not like I can cross platform it.

FC4 looks amazing, but I've never played it.

FC5 is outside my system performance, that's why the gold pack was attractive to me.

[Paratech2008]

Someone recently gifted me used copies of Far Cry 3 and 4 for the XBOX 360.

Ever since I got mad at Sega for the Sonic Mania preorder mess, I'm not in a mood to prepurchase games.

[8ullfrog]

I've got Far 3 for the 360, but I don't have my 360 hooked up. I wanted the gold pack on uPlay out of some stupid completionism thing.

Just like I want Assassins' Creed 2, but I'd buy it for two dollars, to complete the trilogy.

or how I pointlessly wait for MW2 to hit five dollars. No interest in the third, just want MW2 to match COD4 on steam. It will never happen.

I don't play MP ever. I'd buy SP clients at a lower price happily, but I realize they'd probably cut SP if they could.