esteves_PT Jul 16, 2019 @ 5:02am
Steam doesn't work in Windows XP and Vista.
Hello all and sorry for my bad english. I know some people that lost their bought games because they still on Windows Xp and Vista, this way i loose my feel to buy more games because I know i will loose them later. I hope Steam doesn't do the same thing to windows 7, 8 and 10. It doesn't need more updates, just the games that we bought working.
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Brian9824 Jul 16, 2019 @ 5:24am 
No one lost any games ever. 99.9% of games that worked on Windows XP will work on newer versions of Windows as well.

WIndows XP was nearly 20 years old and lacked modern features that were needed. Windows 7 and higher have a similar structure but eventually support for them will be discontinued as well.

Cathulhu Jul 16, 2019 @ 5:28am 
Then maybe people should use such old and insecure OS. Microsoft stopped supportin them years ago. Why should Valve still do it?
Microsoft will end Windows 7 SP1 support next year. Windows 8.1 support is slated for 2023.

Keep in mind that Microsoft already dropped support for earlier versions of Windows 10.
Crazy Tiger Jul 16, 2019 @ 5:52am 
Originally posted by esteves_PT:
Hello all and sorry for my bad english.

No worries, I'm not native English as well.

Originally posted by esteves_PT:
I know some people that lost their bought games because they still on Windows Xp and Vista, this way i loose my feel to buy more games because I know i will loose them later.

This is false. Nobody loses their games. The games are all on the accounts. It's just that you can't use the Steam client on XP/Vista anymore. But of people upgrade their computers and get on 7/8/10 they'll have access to their games.

Please don't spread misinformation regarding this. Nobody loses their games.

Originally posted by esteves_PT:
I hope Steam doesn't do the same thing to windows 7, 8 and 10. It doesn't need more updates, just the games that we bought working.

Support for those will be dropped eventually. Just the same as support was dropped for XP/Vista and much earlier Windows 2000 and such.
It's a normal part of the cycle of software.

And yes, Steam does need updates. Things can be smoother, better and cleaner. Besides that, they have to keep updating all processes to keep them secure. So yes, it's definately needed and that also means that older Operating Systems stop getting support.
Start_Running Jul 16, 2019 @ 8:41am 
Originally posted by esteves_PT:
Hello all and sorry for my bad english. I know some people that lost their bought games because they still on Windows Xp and Vista, this way i loose my feel to buy more games because I know i will loose them later. I hope Steam doesn't do the same thing to windows 7, 8 and 10. It doesn't need more updates, just the games that we bought working.

As someone who bought most of their games for windows xp, and only just recently upgraded.. I can say that yeah...nothing lost. You may need a tweak or a community patch here and there but just about every game will run fine on windows 7 (dunno about 10)
ReBoot Jul 16, 2019 @ 9:19am 
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by esteves_PT:
Hello all and sorry for my bad english. I know some people that lost their bought games because they still on Windows Xp and Vista, this way i loose my feel to buy more games because I know i will loose them later. I hope Steam doesn't do the same thing to windows 7, 8 and 10. It doesn't need more updates, just the games that we bought working.

As someone who bought most of their games for windows xp, and only just recently upgraded.. I can say that yeah...nothing lost. You may need a tweak or a community patch here and there but just about every game will run fine on windows 7 (dunno about 10)
10 is better @ backward compatibility than 7 in my experience.
Crazy Tiger Jul 16, 2019 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by ReBoot:
Originally posted by Start_Running:

As someone who bought most of their games for windows xp, and only just recently upgraded.. I can say that yeah...nothing lost. You may need a tweak or a community patch here and there but just about every game will run fine on windows 7 (dunno about 10)
10 is better @ backward compatibility than 7 in my experience.

Except for games that use Securom/Safedisc protection.
Zekiran Jul 16, 2019 @ 1:18pm 
Except for laptops that cannot physically be upgraded to run more modern systems... And are of use for older games that predate 7 and 10... When I cannot get on my desktop I still have an XP laptop that works absolutely fine, and can run half life 1 and its ilk. Just because 'well it's old' doesn't mean 'it is bad', most of the world still runs on it regardless of whether Microsoft has declared it 'dead'. A lot of people cannot afford those upgraded programs or hardware to run them on. I mean all this was discussed to death last year, I remember and participated in those discussions.

OP; this is working as intended, however sad that may be.
Brian9824 Jul 16, 2019 @ 1:59pm 
Originally posted by Zekiran:
Except for laptops that cannot physically be upgraded to run more modern systems... And are of use for older games that predate 7 and 10... When I cannot get on my desktop I still have an XP laptop that works absolutely fine, and can run half life 1 and its ilk. Just because 'well it's old' doesn't mean 'it is bad', most of the world still runs on it regardless of whether Microsoft has declared it 'dead'. A lot of people cannot afford those upgraded programs or hardware to run them on. I mean all this was discussed to death last year, I remember and participated in those discussions.

OP; this is working as intended, however sad that may be.

The old systems don't support technology that is needed. It's as simple as that. Even on an old XP machine you could still most likely d/l the games on another machine and then copy and paste the files over and run them directly without going thru steam.

Not to mention that steam told people they were ending support of XP more then a year in advance so anyone could have d/l all the games they wanted on the XP machine ahead of time in preperation.

It's a simple fact that Windows XP does not support the required functionality for steam to operate in anymore.

4% or less of computers worldwide use XP, and approximately 0.12% of steams userbase still use XP. So its a dead OS.

The reason its discontinued is Steam uses an embedded form of Google Chrome that will not work on XP. So rather then stay limited by something only a handful of users still use they are designing their software to take advantage of technology that is used by the majority of people.


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Zekiran Jul 16, 2019 @ 2:37pm 
I know all that.

Literally, all of that. I understand all that. I don't have to AGREE with it.

Apparently you don't read so I'll repeat it for the people in the back: most world-wide systems (government, schools, etc) do not have the hardware to run newer software and can't afford the 'upgrades' Microsoft pushes out. I don't know where you're getting your "4% or less" but... nope. Non-10 OS use across the world (I'm not just talking about Steam, which ... given they've discontinued and won't apply the information on their collection it would follow that 4% of STEAM use is such) is considerably lower than you might want it to be.

Old devices running new games is NOT the issue. Old devices being 'unallowed' to run OLD games, IS an issue. "Well you can just run it on your desktop" --- and the example I used, specifically addressed that. Cannot be upgraded physically, on a laptop made "Vista Ready!" in 2000..something or other. Cannot run newer iterations, I know. Should have had a static, maintenance-mode version dedicated for that, with all the caveat bells and whistles (you can't run any other games than you've already got on it, no guarantees, blah blah legal blah), implemented so that folks who cannot possibly afford or physically upgrade their xp devices could still USE them, even as backups.

Chrome is garbage, but I understand why they want its datamining potential, obviously. That it won't run on XP is a godsend.
nullable Jul 16, 2019 @ 3:42pm 
Originally posted by Zekiran:
I know all that.

Literally, all of that. I understand all that. I don't have to AGREE with it.

Apparently you don't read so I'll repeat it for the people in the back: most world-wide systems (government, schools, etc) do not have the hardware to run newer software and can't afford the 'upgrades' Microsoft pushes out. I don't know where you're getting your "4% or less" but... nope.

In December 2018 less than 0.5% of users were using WinXP according to the Steam Hardware survey. And Vista was like no one, because everyone hated it even more than 8.

People unwilling or unable to upgrade to newer systems aren't generating a lot of revenue. Supporting legacy OS'es is a large expensive burden and unless your legacy user base is a significant source of revenue there's a point where it's not worth it. You end support, a tiny minority people have a freak out and life goes on.

I'm sure when Win98 support ended the exact same things happened for the exact same reasons. OS'es get old, userbase dwindles, support ends. That's the lifecycle and if you choose to live on the fringes that's your cross to bear and you probably shouldn't be relying on digital services that have previously ended support for dated and barely used OS'es... It's not like there's not precedence.
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Brian9824 Jul 16, 2019 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by Zekiran:
I know all that.

Literally, all of that. I understand all that. I don't have to AGREE with it.

Apparently you don't read so I'll repeat it for the people in the back: most world-wide systems (government, schools, etc) do not have the hardware to run newer software and can't afford the 'upgrades' Microsoft pushes out. I don't know where you're getting your "4% or less" but... nope. Non-10 OS use across the world (I'm not just talking about Steam, which ... given they've discontinued and won't apply the information on their collection it would follow that 4% of STEAM use is such) is considerably lower than you might want it to be.

Old devices running new games is NOT the issue. Old devices being 'unallowed' to run OLD games, IS an issue. "Well you can just run it on your desktop" --- and the example I used, specifically addressed that. Cannot be upgraded physically, on a laptop made "Vista Ready!" in 2000..something or other. Cannot run newer iterations, I know. Should have had a static, maintenance-mode version dedicated for that, with all the caveat bells and whistles (you can't run any other games than you've already got on it, no guarantees, blah blah legal blah), implemented so that folks who cannot possibly afford or physically upgrade their xp devices could still USE them, even as backups.

Chrome is garbage, but I understand why they want its datamining potential, obviously. That it won't run on XP is a godsend.

Your argument makes no sense. Governments, schools, etc aren't the target of steam. Individuals are. Steam doesn't sell video games to the US government. So your logic makes no sense.

Also as someone who DOES government work AND work for schools, the reason is not because they can't afford it. It's because they run old custom legacy software that is often unsupported and discontinued so no one makes updates for it anymore.

XP is 20 years old and and its already been shown that nearly everyone on Steam uses a system newer then XP. Steam's last survey showed that about .12% of steam users actually use XP. So assuming Steam had 100,000,000 users that means around 120,000 people still use XP.

As for my 4% figuire its reported by numerous institutions

https://netmarketshare.com - down to 3.18% atm as of June 2019
http://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/worldwide - reports it lower at under 2%
https://windowsreport.com/windows-xp-market-share-drop/ - fluctuates between 3-5%

Etc. 4% is the rough approximate number, of which most of that is not even a potential steam customer. So it would be asinine for steam to plan their software around .12% of their userbase and ignore the 99.88% of their userbase.

Crazy Tiger Jul 20, 2019 @ 11:07am 
They don't lose their games, they lose current installation and playing access to them. All they have to do is log in on a supported system and they have access to them again. But they don't lose access, the games are not taken away from them.
esteves_PT Jul 20, 2019 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
They don't lose their games, they lose current installation and playing access to them. All they have to do is log in on a supported system and they have access to them again. But they don't lose access, the games are not taken away from them.
Hello Crazy Tiger, it's what I am saying, whoever doesn't upgrade the system loose access.
Crazy Tiger Jul 20, 2019 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by esteves_PT:
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
They don't lose their games, they lose current installation and playing access to them. All they have to do is log in on a supported system and they have access to them again. But they don't lose access, the games are not taken away from them.
Hello Crazy Tiger, it's what I am saying, whoever doesn't upgrade the system loose access.

I just want to point out that there is a difference between "losing games" and "losing access to the games". The former implies you can't get them back.
Zekiran Jul 20, 2019 @ 11:23am 
^^ Exactly the phrasing is important. My account still has all those games on it - but i'd never in my life dream about trying to install 90% of them on that old xp laptop.

I just would like to be able to play those that CAN run, ON it. The games themselves, as they predate Steam... I know there's A way to do it, but the fact is I turn that machine on like... every 9 or 10 months at best. >_> But the game licences are still ON my account. :)
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