CluelessLorand 2019 年 11 月 10 日 下午 6:17
Steam Community Market security restrictions are annoying and pointless.
So I wanted to pre-order FM 2020 for a discounted price, and I realized that I have a couple CS:GO skins in my inventory that I could sell to get the game without having to pay any more real-life money...
1. I try selling them, but for some reason, I have to have bought a game at least 7 days ago but less than a year ago...?? This makes absolutely no sense, has nothing to do with what I'm trying to do, and I'm even struggling to think of a single hypothetic situation in which this would help anyone. Whatever. I'll buy a cheap game and wait for another week...
2. So I wait a week and get really excited because now I can FINALLY play this game I've been waiting for for a while, BUT I STILL CAN'T SELL MY ITEMS. I either have to wait 15 days or activate the Steam Guard Authenticator for 7 days... UGH. I just lost that discount opportunity because by the time I sell my items, the pre-order period will be over and the full game--at full price--will be out.
This is ridiculous. Neither of these restrictions makes any sense. Steam needs to understand that not all their users need to have their hand held in order to not get their account compromised. These are my items. Let me sell them in order to BUY A GAME FROM STEAM. (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're not doing this on purpose to make me pay more...)
Please at least give us the option to get rid of these and admit it's our responsibility if anything happens. We just want to do what we joined Steam for; play our favorite games
Please fix, Steam <3
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Satoru 2019 年 11 月 10 日 下午 6:44 
1) This is to prevent spammers from making thousands of free steam accounts to scam the system. Legit active users have little problem adhereing to the purchase requirements. Also note this also prevents 'old' accounts from being hijacked and then used to scam as well

2) Again same thing this prvents a scammer from hijacking an active user, adding an authenticator and scamming all their items
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019 年 11 月 10 日 下午 6:52 
Here is a perfect example that users need all restrictions...

News - Security and Trading; Why the 15 Day Wait

http://store.steampowered.com/news/19618/

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/494631873668954229/

To this...

https://store.steampowered.com/news/20631/

Not even 3 month later.

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GT 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 2:21 
+1 from me

I have no iOS or Android device and I'll never use one in my lifetime. However I magically have managed to not get a single account of mine hacked/compromized in over 15 years. I don't need a parentfigure to tell me what is good for me and what is not. (Hint: Shapple or Datadroid is NOT good for me; feck google, feck apple and feck microschrott)
最後修改者:GT; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 2:22
Zekiran 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 3:21 
引用自 GT
+1 from me

I have no iOS or Android device and I'll never use one in my lifetime. However I magically have managed to not get a single account of mine hacked/compromized in over 15 years. I don't need a parentfigure to tell me what is good for me and what is not. (Hint: Shapple or Datadroid is NOT good for me; feck google, feck apple and feck microschrott)


The moment you start trading for expensive items, your compromised account will be quite sad.

These security measures are there to protect people *exactly like you* who believe you're somehow 'above' the scammers and possible errors.

You aren't. I'm not. I mean: I don't run a firewall or virus scanner on my computer. I play it safe there. However, I'm also not attempting to use things like torrents or whatever - and the moment I would, I would absolutely install and keep active, those scanners.

If you want to use the market safely, you must do the same thing every other of the tens of millions of users here do.
nullable 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 3:58 
引用自 GT
+1 from me

I have no iOS or Android device and I'll never use one in my lifetime. However I magically have managed to not get a single account of mine hacked/compromized in over 15 years. I don't need a parentfigure to tell me what is good for me and what is not. (Hint: Shapple or Datadroid is NOT good for me; feck google, feck apple and feck microschrott)

Well well Valve has larger concerns and a wider demographic than you. I mean I don't "need" those things either. But I understand that most consumer software is never going to cater to me specifically. IE the security isn't there to hassle me, but help protect less capable users. And I can live with that. That sort of thing is never going to change, so you might as well yell about the Sun being too bright for all the good it will do.
最後修改者:nullable; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 3:58
GT 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 5:58 
@ Brockenstein: There is no logical reason why I can't decide for myself if I want to take that risk for _myself_ or not – also: while yelling at the sun wouldn't do much, you can put on sunglasses.

@Zekiran: I feel quite confident after 15 years of scam-free experience. I run a firewall, antivirus, modified DNS, containers, monitor traffic with wireshark from time-to-time and last but not least: *common sense*. Also "protecting the market" doesn't make sense if my account with four-figures worth of games is not "protected".


This is a feature being implemented to force 2FA (and a horribly implemented version of it at that) on steam users while avoiding the obvious outcry such a forced measure would make on the full functionality of steam for everyday logins.
最後修改者:GT; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 5:59
Zekiran 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:06 
Yes, there is a compelling reason why people are not allowed to decide to forego the security measures.

Steam has already had to deal with more than its share of whining from people who did exactly that, giving away their items to scammers, visiting unsafe websites, and the like - and we literally see this EVERY SINGLE DAY here, "it wasn't me, why didn't steam do something about this."

Because even if you are 'safe', you do not represent the lion's share of the people using this site.

Speed limits are supposed to be obeyed by everyone, there aren't exceptions because you're 'better at it' than anyone else, because all it takes is once.

And that once happens around here *hourly*.

Be glad it IS there, instead of complaining that it's not and you got ripped off.
GT 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:21 
Aaaaand.. the option "I don't want to use it on my own risk – Steam shall not be held responsable" is not an option because..?

Also speed limits are a really bad example for your point. I happen to live somewhere without upper speed limits and I regularly indulge myself in driving fast; Responsibly – when the road conditions and traffic allows it; On my own risk, slowing down when there would be others to be endangered by me. I don't need a nanny to change my diapers and neither do I need a guardian to keep me away from "bad people".
Zekiran 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:27 
Because they still ARE responsible.

Also: have you just never, in your life, worked customer service?

Because it's pretty clear you didn't, or weren't particularly good at it if you did. They get sick of listening to the complaints, by people who for every single reason under the sun, "knew what they were doing really we do honestly we do! ooh is that a website giving away a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!?"

Steam has always been DELUGED by people complaining about this. Your individual ability to break speed laws aside: they exist everywhere else *for compelling reasons*.

Of course you need to be guarded.

The alternative here is very, very ugly.
Glimmer 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:29 
引用自 GT
Aaaaand.. the option "I don't want to use it on my own risk – Steam shall not be held responsable" is not an option because..?
Because the whole "Steam shall not be held responsible" aspect is not honoured.

One upon a time Valve did have the option to opt out of Steam Guard in any form without adversely affecting trades. When some of those people who opted out lost their accounts, they still complained to Support. Even worse, when Support turned them down they turned to other sites to complain about how little Valve was doing to deal with stolen accounts. Not only was Support still getting hit with tickets that shouldn't have been filed, but they were getting a reputation as not caring about their customers. Valve felt that if they were going to be forced to take care of every account, then every account would have to deal with increased security.
GT 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:39 
引用自 Zekiran
Steam has always been DELUGED by people complaining about this. Your individual ability to break speed laws aside: they exist everywhere else *for compelling reasons*.

Of course you need to be guarded.

Germany – Autobahn. Look it up. I'm not breaking any laws. Maybe YOU need to be guarded but don't project yourself onto others.

Also no, I never worked in customer support (luckily) and that is not my problem. My problem is that I physically CAN'T use the _forced_ 2FA, even if I wanted to.



引用自 Glimmer
One upon a time Valve did have the option to opt out of Steam Guard in any form without adversely affecting trades. When some of those people who opted out lost their accounts, they still complained to Support.

How exactly is my account currently protected from being lost to scammers?
最後修改者:GT; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:40
Glimmer 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 6:50 
引用自 GT
How exactly is my account currently protected from being lost to scammers?
I meant Items
GT 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 7:05 
引用自 Glimmer
引用自 GT
How exactly is my account currently protected from being lost to scammers?
I meant Items
Alright.. my items total about 5-10$. Why do I need 2FA again? Esp. if I want to sell trading cards worth 0.05$? The most valuable thing in my stash doesn't even scratch the 2$ mark.

Besides my account getting stolen would be a lot more value gone. And NO – that does not mean that I want mandatory 2FA for all of Steam. (I'd welcome a reasonable *OPT-IN* implementation though like a Java applet that you can actually use on everything – even feature phones)
最後修改者:GT; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 7:05
Satoru 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 7:08 
引用自 GT
引用自 Zekiran
Steam has always been DELUGED by people complaining about this. Your individual ability to break speed laws aside: they exist everywhere else *for compelling reasons*.

Of course you need to be guarded.

Germany – Autobahn. Look it up. I'm not breaking any laws. Maybe YOU need to be guarded but don't project yourself onto others.

Also no, I never worked in customer support (luckily) and that is not my problem. My problem is that I physically CAN'T use the _forced_ 2FA, even if I wanted to.



引用自 Glimmer
One upon a time Valve did have the option to opt out of Steam Guard in any form without adversely affecting trades. When some of those people who opted out lost their accounts, they still complained to Support.

How exactly is my account currently protected from being lost to scammers?

If you’re going to use terrible analogies

https://store.steampowered.com/news/19618/

There aren’t 2500 accidents a day on the Autobahn. But nice try
最後修改者:Satoru; 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 7:09
rawWwRrr 2019 年 11 月 11 日 下午 7:14 
引用自 GT
引用自 Glimmer
I meant Items
Alright.. my items total about 5-10$. Why do I need 2FA again? Esp. if I want to sell trading cards worth 0.05$? The most valuable thing in my stash doesn't even scratch the 2$ mark.

Besides my account getting stolen would be a lot more value gone. And NO – that does not mean that I want mandatory 2FA for all of Steam. (I'd welcome a reasonable *OPT-IN* implementation though like a Java applet that you can actually use on everything – even feature phones)
$10 to a scammer is $10 more than they had before.
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