Foras 16 JUN 2023 a las 10:56
End of Support for Windows 7
Discontinuing support for Windows 7... switch to Windows 10, mmm...great. And what does Steam suggest to do to those users whose PCs are poorly digested by Windows 10, who are simply weak. In my case, it's a laptop. Windows 10, which in my case negatively affects overall performance in general, and, accordingly, performance in games. So what's the point of me installing Windows 10 if I just can't play adequately? And also by chance, steam does not think about the fact that not every user can buy \ update a PC for himself, not to mention buying Windows 10. And in general, Windows 7 is the best operating system. I hope Steam will be able to respond adequately to such problems. In general, in general, I believe that everyone has the right to choose - the choice of which Steam deprives. I hope for understanding. Peace, kindness and good luck to all.
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tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:38 
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
New languages means new clients. Old operating systems means the same clients, who will leave either way or upgrade.
This is not new languages, but supporting old ones. I can say your worlds back to you at this point. As valve suport this ones, your point have problems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/u1j4vi/windows_breaking_after_update/
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-broken-after-update/e65afe96-45ea-4c0e-b9c2-8c43eb20faac

Not a single thread.
win10 is a one big problem itself with how many it's updates can break your system. This is my unswer.

Oh and monthly threads like 'how to fix os after new update'
https://www.maketecheasier.com/latest-windows-10-update-problems/


Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
How is that changing a subject?
You are not answer old topics and creating new ones. Ok, how exactly video driver can create sequrity danger for my system?
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:42
N3tRunn3r 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:42 
To use Windows 7 today is like using Windows 95 in 2009, when Windows 7 was released.
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:44 
Publicado originalmente por N3tRunn3r:
To use Windows 7 today is like using Windows 95 in 2009, when Windows 7 was released.
Are you sure win 95 and win7 had same core like win7 and win10?) Cause win10 is a literaly win7 with some extra things.
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:46
Zarineth 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:47 
Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
New languages means new clients. Old operating systems means the same clients, who will leave either way or upgrade.
This is not new languages, but supporting old ones. I can say your worlds back to you at this point. As valve suport this ones, your point have problems.

Again, new people do born and there will be no or very few new users of windows 7. And people will leave Windows 7 over time as all other old OS.

Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Not a single thread.
win10 is a one big problem itself with how many it's updates can break your system. This is my unswer.

Oh and monthly threads like 'how to fix os after new update'
https://www.maketecheasier.com/latest-windows-10-update-problems/

And as I said, there is always Linux.

Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
How is that changing a subject?
You are not answer old topics and creating new ones. Ok, how exactly video driver can create sequrity danger for my system?

Graphics Driver Upkeep Is Essential
Updating your graphics drivers is as important for maintaining your computer's security as updating your software or locking your home’s backdoor. Outdated graphics drivers can leave your computer vulnerable to malware attacks, personal information theft, and compatibility issues. With this information, remember to check for graphics driver updates regularly and install them as soon as possible.
https://www.makeuseof.com/updating-graphics-drivers-important-for-security/
Última edición por Zarineth; 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:50
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:54 
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Again, new people do born
People will die as well as born. As the birth rate is lower than the death rate in most civilized countries point not very good for you.


Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
https://www.makeuseof.com/updating-graphics-drivers-important-for-security/
All of this things about performanse and some about regular viruses, which has nothing with drivers. Next. pleese.

Still waiting answers for my older questions.
Zarineth 19 JUN 2023 a las 8:57 
Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Again, new people do born
People will die as well as born. As the birth rate is lower than the death rate in most civilized countries point not very good for you.
And is not changing a fact, that Windows 7 userbase will decline and there is no reason to support it and here will be few new users, where there will be new users for those languages. The ones, that will pay money to buy games, because Steam accounts can't be shared. The ones, that want to play new games, that will not support win7.

Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
https://www.makeuseof.com/updating-graphics-drivers-important-for-security/
All of this things about performanse and some about regular viruses, which has nothing with drivers. Next. pleese.
It does. You asked how it can be a problem and I gave you answer. The fact you don't like it changes nothing. You have no monopoly on what is important and what is not.

Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Still waiting answers for my older questions.
What another question did I miss?
Última edición por Zarineth; 19 JUN 2023 a las 9:13
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 9:26 
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
And is not changing a fact, that Windows 7 userbase will decline
Win7&8 -0.11%, win10&11 -0.10%. And still more, than 1.5%, somehow even more, than before.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

Plus people leave os not by they own, but forced. That's why windows losing users right now.

Plus if you look at ' DIRECTX 10/11/12' chart, you can see even more interesting thing - 'pre win10 dx12 systems' - 16.7%. This is win7 and more early users. More real numbers, than survey ones.

Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
What another question did I miss?
Corporate soft, which unsopport win7. And samples of 'holes' of win7.
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 9:35
Zarineth 19 JUN 2023 a las 9:40 
Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
And is not changing a fact, that Windows 7 userbase will decline
Win7&8 -0.11%, win10&11 -0.10%. And still more, than 1.5%, somehow even more, than before.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

Many Win 10 users upgrade to 11, and overall have over 98% users. I'm not sure how you got -0.10% for win10&11 if Win11 itself have 0.16 higher user increase, than Win 10 decline.

Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
What another question did I miss?
Corporate soft, which unsopport win7. And samples of 'holes' of win7.

Autodesk revoked support for their new products.
"Most Autodesk software versions 2020 and earlier had been tested and supported on Windows 7 in the past. However, since Microsoft has ended Windows 7 support.on January 14th, 2020, Autodesk cannot continue supporting its software on it. Nevertheless, Autodesk Support is always ready to provide the best effort of support on its software on Windows 7.

The best-effort support limits the support scope if Autodesk Product Support identifies the cause of the possible program functionality failure related to the outdated operating system or its components. As there are no longer any security fixes or support for Windows 7 from Microsoft, any problems or defects caused by the operating system are unlikely to be fixed."

And I've already explained why having outdated OS is dangerous.
Última edición por Zarineth; 19 JUN 2023 a las 9:43
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 11:45 
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Many Win 10 users upgrade to 11, and overall have over 98% users. I'm not sure how you got -0.10% for win10&11 if Win11 itself have 0.16 higher user increase, than Win 10 decline.
'Windows 10 64 bit 60.51% -0.70%
Windows 11 64 bit 33.99% +0.60%'

-0.7+0.6 = -0.1
Kinda simple math...

Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Autodesk revoked support for their new products.
And I've already explained why having outdated OS is dangerous.

You said before 'many', so i want more, than single one. As well, ending of their support still do not mean this soft stop working like steam will.

You are not explained 'why having outdated OS is dangerous' at all. And still I don't see any specific examples of sequrity leaks of win7, even not any news example of major hacks of anything, based on win7 after 'end of support' date.
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 11:56
Zarineth 19 JUN 2023 a las 11:58 
Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Many Win 10 users upgrade to 11, and overall have over 98% users. I'm not sure how you got -0.10% for win10&11 if Win11 itself have 0.16 higher user increase, than Win 10 decline.
'Windows 10 64 bit 60.51%-0.70%
Windows 11 64 bit 33.99%+0.60%'

-0.7+0.6 = -0.1
Kinda simple math...
Oh, now I see. I guess I got into wrong tab.
Zarineth 19 JUN 2023 a las 12:05 
Publicado originalmente por tirniel:
Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Many Win 10 users upgrade to 11, and overall have over 98% users. I'm not sure how you got -0.10% for win10&11 if Win11 itself have 0.16 higher user increase, than Win 10 decline.
'Windows 10 64 bit 60.51% -0.70%
Windows 11 64 bit 33.99% +0.60%'

-0.7+0.6 = -0.1
Kinda simple math...

Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
Autodesk revoked support for their new products.
And I've already explained why having outdated OS is dangerous.

You said before 'many', so i want more, than single one. As well, ending of their support still do not mean this soft stop working like steam will.

You are not explained 'why having outdated OS is dangerous' at all. And still I don't see any specific examples of sequrity leaks of win7, even not any news example of major hacks of anything, based on win7 after 'end of support' date.
I am not gonna bother finding more. I made my point for gaming, corporations and hardware drivers. I am not gonna spend more time for you to just say "umm, I don't like this one".
You are denaying basic thing: unupdated software becomes insecure. Not having any major leak will not change this. You don't agreeing with this will also not change this.
As I said already, doesn't matter if you agree with me, Valve will end support for Win 7 either way. And other software developers will one by one follow. You can defend your favourite system how much you want, it will change nothing.
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 12:05 
Interesting moment here:
"Arch Linux" 64 bit 0.15%
This is mostly valve steam deck...
One more point about profitability of support. Just a 0.15%, you know, at fact even less, cause - some people using real arch linux, baked by themself.

Publicado originalmente por Zarineth:
unupdated software becomes insecure.
For example Windows built-in calculator newer update before, so it's insequire at your point? Same for word pad and some other soft.
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 12:08
tirniel 19 JUN 2023 a las 14:11 
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
might carry a bit more risk and other issues, than
I still waiting for examples of specific 'sequrity leaks' from you. You cannot answer for a long time, but still repeat this mantra about risks. Risks, you talk about, but you don't even know, seems so.

Right now we argue on specific topics, not on someone else's decision, if you remember.

I think topics about 'dead os' and 'waste of money' is more or less closed right now.
Última edición por tirniel; 19 JUN 2023 a las 14:14
Perfil 19 JUN 2023 a las 14:46 
The issue is not about $$$$$ (Bottom line REALLY it ISNT) what is relevant (don`t even know if i type it here...) Please, think with me; Why would anyone want to control "how much you should spend on your hobby"?



Nah... forget about it... people have already started arguing... Someone wise would say "why instead of arguing you don't create yourselves your own O.S ?"


That suggestion had been made like 50 years ago... 1970's silicon valley computer enthusiasts... then there had been some attempts yeah? but see, i could go far over the tinfoil hat and rabbit DARKHOLE (yeah there's no end and eventually we'll all be there..) It seems someone doesn't wanna ONLY PLAY "GLOBAL SIMULATOR" cough cough cough, ill cough cough, tes
Última edición por Perfil; 19 JUN 2023 a las 14:53
Foras 23 JUN 2023 a las 0:55 
Publicado originalmente por Lysdexamp777:
The issue is not about $$$$$ (Bottom line REALLY it ISNT) what is relevant (don`t even know if i type it here...) Please, think with me; Why would anyone want to control "how much you should spend on your hobby"?



Nah... forget about it... people have already started arguing... Someone wise would say "why instead of arguing you don't create yourselves your own O.S ?"


That suggestion had been made like 50 years ago... 1970's silicon valley computer enthusiasts... then there had been some attempts yeah? but see, i could go far over the tinfoil hat and rabbit DARKHOLE (yeah there's no end and eventually we'll all be there..) It seems someone doesn't wanna ONLY PLAY "GLOBAL SIMULATOR" cough cough cough, ill cough cough, tes

... or maybe because some do not want to recognize the banal society of consumers ... or they are simply conservatives themselves ... can you imagine that you could get by with one system that you could simply develop, and not sculpt the same system under different wrappers ...
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