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Have you been copy pasting this on every thread? Thats sad dude....
You mean like you've been doing the past two years about petitions and Vulkan/Linux everywhere in this Mac forum? No petition or Vulkan support was needed either. Stay tuned for more exciting Mac news!
I don't copy paste (like you did with this aswell) as I have a brain.
Why is it that the idea you'd ask for support from Apple so disgusting to you? They are literally who you buy your computers from.
You feel like this is some kind of clap back but in reality its kinda cringe.
You do realize you're part of a community struggling to play games trying to act snarky to some one who simply has to click install then play right?
I'd love if games simply worked on everything but your guys refusing to point at Apple an d call them out for any wrong doing is self defeating.
Its like a Windows user endlessly whining about every change M$ makes while screaming out loud that they'd never use anything else.
Not how that works child. The people making the claims have the burden of proof. You guys are claiming its a light switch that can be flipped and thats not how programming works.
So youâre not here for exciting Mac news like the rest of us? Sorry, I forgot for a moment that youâre a Linux gamer allergic to positive news about Mac gaming only here to cheer for its death. Besides I was trying to keep it short and make it easier for you to understand since youâve said you donât like to read âwall of worthless textâ.
Did you expect a medal or Nobel Prize in Literature for not copy-pasting your âuniqueâ posts? Too bad you start every other post by telling people theyâre âlostâ, âreally lostâ, âway lostâ or âconfusedâ. You seem to think copy-pasting only applies to words but forget that your whole ancient and biased narrative is copy-pasted in every discussion. Itâs like trying to put lipstick on a pig. Same nonsense, different look, every time.
So you donât like the same short answers to your own repetitive posts and you call long explanations âgiant walls of garbageâ, or TLDR? Well, Im not here to please you. Repetitive posts deserve only repetitive answers.
Speaking of brain, you mean like every time when you run out of reasonable arguments or are proven wrong you start to give everyone clown awards to the left and right? What a healthy and mature way of using your fantastic brain power. You sure teach us a lesson. How about wasting almost two years of your time as the only Linux gamer in the Mac threads trying desperately to convince people who already own and game on their Macs that Mac gaming is dead? Really smart move! How is that going for you? Have you managed to make any Mac gamer switch to Linux? Has anyone stopped gaming on their Macs? Have devs stopped making Mac games? Has Apple gone out of business? Have they scrapped Metal and embraced Vulkan? Has Valve discontinued the Steam Mac client and closed its Mac store?
Ask Apple for support for what? Have you seen me complaining about anything and needing support? In fact you act like the most miserable Mac gamer here without even being one. You have literally the highest number of negative posts and complaints about Mac, as a Linux gamer. Is that really a kind of achievement to be proud of? Is there a secret Steam achievement youâre trying to unlock? Donât you find that the slightest embarrassing or as you always say âcringyâ? You still donât understand that this discussion was about the Steam client and not your usual rant about Mac gaming. Valve is literally the one who owns the software, its source code and the Steam digital distribution service and storefront. If they want their Mac customers to keep using their products and services they have to keep their software updated, which they also finally did despite everything youâve been saying.
Struggling to play games? You try so hard. All this effort the entire time so you can say you can play Team Fortress and Counter-Strike with one click like anyone should care. Play what you want with how many clicks you want. This isnât a contest. Has Proton made you Linux guys soft and lazy? I thought you guys loved to tinker and solve problems. Now itâs the other way around. Now Mac gamers are the tinkerers and problem solvers with GPTK, Crossover, Kegworks, VMware Fusion, Heroic, Porting kit, Mac Source ports, Whisky, PlayOnMac and more. Who are you to dictate what people should/can do or not?
Do you think CDPR thought âMac gaming is dyingâ when they showcased Cyberpunk Ultimate Edition running at 120 fps with Ultra settings on a MacBook on battery? Has your ranting in the past couple of years stopped Capcom from making AAA Mac games or us from playing? You think Ubisoft, Remedy, Teyon, Bloober team and many others give a hoot about Linux gamersâ doom and gloom on Steam forums when they ported or will be releasing games like Cronos: The New Dawn, Architect: Land of Exiles, HITMAN World of Assassination, Crimson Desert, InZOI, Assassinâs Creed Shadows, Baldurâs Gate 3, Civ VII, Control Ultimate Edition, Dead Island 2, Death Stranding, Farming Simulator 25, Frostpunk 2, Grid Legends, Hades II, Honkai Impact 3rd, Isonzo, Layers of Fear, Lies of P/Overture, No Manâs Sky, Palworld, Path of Exile 2, Prince of Persia: Lost Crown, Prodeus, Psychonauts 2, Robocop Rogue City/Unfinished Business, Sniper Elite 4/5, Snowrunner, Stray, Total War: Pharaoh, Total War: Warhammer III, Valheim, Where Winds Met, World of GOO 2, Wuthering Waves, X-plane 12?
You think they want to loose money or are doing charity? No, nobody paid them to make those ports. You actually think you know the Mac gaming market better than them? That speaks volumes but not surprising considering how many times youâve been repeating the same narrative in Mac threads, been off-topic and made yourself infamous. Still to this day you also seem to miss the bigger picture and keep talking down Mac gaming. Those who game on Mac are fully aware of the upsides and downsides so who do you think youâre fooling or lecturing? The bigger picture is that weâre not the ones complaining all the time and can always find solutions but youâre single-handedly the biggest complainer in the Mac threads while you donât even touch the platform even if your life depended on it. That speaks volumes about the true nature of your posts.
Once a year you write and pretend that you donât care about Mac gaming and love if games worked on all platforms just so you can spend the rest of the year stalking the Mac threads and ranting about everything you find annoying. Itâs not about having a brain but how you use it. Donât you think we know our gaming options?
Mac gaming means playing games on Mac. It doesnât mean exclusively native games. The entire Linux/Steam Deck gaming nowadays is about playing non-native games through transition layers so in the same sense Mac gaming is alive and kicking. We can play native or non-native games with different solutions. If itâs free and easy or takes time and money thatâs for us to decide. We can also buy a gaming PC, handheld devices or play mobile games on iPhone, iPad or Android. So whatâs even your point with all this fearmongering and crying wolf? You get the right tool for your job when you need it.
It doesnât even take someone with âbrainâ to figure it out. Everyone can just take a look at your post and comment history to see through your walls of smoke. Responses from other Mac users to your posts are also a clear indication. You canât even deal with simple progresses in Mac gaming. Always backward-thinking and problem-seeking, never forward-thinking and solution-minded. You even downvote news about new games or sales with your âclownâ awards. How sad to get mad about others playing games on other platforms than Linux.
Donât worry so much and donât get mad when people refuse to dance by your rules. Weâre not âkidsâ, âchildrenâ or âclownsâ as you frequently like to call us. We got this covered. After all weâre Mac gamers, tinkerers and problem solvers, unlike some PC gamers who occasionally loose their way in the Mac threads and instead act like whiners and trouble makers.
Wow, more emotional freakouts.
Mac users aren't tinkerers, you literally can't be in a locked out system that doesn't even let you upgrade your SSD or RAM.
Moreover there are a few native games today on Apple Silicon, but where are they ? On Mac App Store. Why can't I find mac version of Grid Legends, Assassin's Creed Shadows, Death Stranding, ... on Steam ? Why ???
Steam should start to sell every mac games available ...
@Abortiantor, we don't want to live in the past with a x86 platform that is just energy waste ... ARM is the good way, and the advantage of CPU integrated RAM is a five to ten time faster bandwith compared to RAM on slot ... and for storage Thunderbolt 4 or 5 does the job.
Facts can be hurtful so your Wow feeling, emotional reaction and inability to grasp simple facts that go against your distorted reality is understandable even though it doesnât help your case and credibility as usual.
Your limited understanding of the definition of tinkerers is yet another proof of your limited and outdated knowledge about Mac gaming and its possibilities.
How do you now run Steam client without Rosetta? Downloaded steam.dmg but it's prompting to install Rosetta, so no?
By downloading and using the Beta. Maybe you have to install the beta again. When I first switched to beta and Steam restarted in Sequoia the app was still x86. I was surprised because in Sonoma it was updated the first time. Then I turned off beta and tried again and restarted Steam and it worked.
The non-beta Steam client still uses an x86_64 executable for the main Steam process (the Steam Helper processes are arm64) and even on the beta Valve haven't pushed an update to the bootstrapper stub that lives in /Applications/Steam.app, nor an update to the steam.dmg image which is how that bootstrapper stub is first installed.
But: the bootstrapper stub app and the main Steam client executable are the same program (steam_osx), so I think Valve is just being a little conservative; accidentally breaking the bootstrapper stub would be bad because it wouldn't be possible to push an automatic update to unbreak it. So my guess is they'll keep the status quo for a few months just to get some confidence that stuff isn't broken before they update steam.dmg and the stub bootstrapper.
In principle, it might be possible to take steam_osx etc. from ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/Steam.AppBundle and copy them into /Applications/Steam.app to make a frankenbootstrapper which works Rosetta-less, but I've not tried it. It's very possible it won't.