ARM Native Client

[isaacryu]

We're several years into the transition to Apple Silicon, and the Steam Mac client is still an Intel binary. Are there plans to migrate to ARM? Remaining on Intel is not a good plan.

[alexmaru]

Well, Valve makes everything to show how they hate Apple, so not in next 3 years, while Rosetta still a thing.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

Rumors say Valve is planning to phase out Mac development. Once they get their rumored VR Console going they’re likely to just tell Mac users to buy a Steam Deck.

It’s no surprise, Valve has never had good Mac support once they got Linux support going. I believe they only used Mac support as a stepping stone to supporting Linux.

[The_Abortionator]

引用自 alexmaru：

Well, Valve makes everything to show how they hate Apple, so not in next 3 years, while Rosetta still a thing.

Stop feeling attacked. Apple has never made it easy to support them. From doing everything in their power to stop Nvidia cards from being used (lead to the trash can Mac) to making their own API instead of just using Vulkan like a sane company would.

Why fight an uphill battle to support the smallest OS demographic?

[Cathulhu]

Not to mention Apple requiring signing every update which takes money and time. Even for simple game updates.
Which makes it a lot of hassle to maintain a Mac OS software.

Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s
Developing for Mac OS is simply a PITA. And expensive too.

Considering a lot of game devs have dropped Mac OS support in the recent years, i'm not surprised Valve is not exactly enthusiastic.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

引用自 Cathulhu：

Not to mention Apple requiring signing every update which takes money and time. Even for simple game updates.
Which makes it a lot of hassle to maintain a Mac OS software.

Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s
Developing for Mac OS is simply a PITA. And expensive too.

Considering a lot of game devs have dropped Mac OS support in the recent years, i'm not surprised Valve is not exactly enthusiastic.

Ah yes, the “one guy” argument. Classic.

[The_Abortionator]

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

引用自 Cathulhu：

Not to mention Apple requiring signing every update which takes money and time. Even for simple game updates.
Which makes it a lot of hassle to maintain a Mac OS software.

Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qRQX9fgrI4s
Developing for Mac OS is simply a PITA. And expensive too.

Considering a lot of game devs have dropped Mac OS support in the recent years, i'm not surprised Valve is not exactly enthusiastic.

Ah yes, the “one guy” argument. Classic.

Ah yes the "ignore the facts and ad hom/deflect" argument. Classic.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

引用自 The_Abortionator：

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

Ah yes, the “one guy” argument. Classic.

Ah yes the "ignore the facts and ad hom/deflect" argument. Classic.

Thanks for your input "The_Abortionator" I'm sure your opinion is valuable.

[The_Abortionator]

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

引用自 The_Abortionator：

Ah yes the "ignore the facts and ad hom/deflect" argument. Classic.

Thanks for your input "The_Abortionator" I'm sure your opinion is valuable.

Literally another ad hom. This is just a cartoon response at this point.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

引用自 The_Abortionator：

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

Thanks for your input "The_Abortionator" I'm sure your opinion is valuable.

Literally another ad hom. This is just a cartoon response at this point.

The actual facts have been pointed out to you in many posts already, and you chose to ignore them.

That and your username being something straight out of the 6th grade makes it apparent that you’re not serious.

[The_Abortionator]

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

引用自 The_Abortionator：

Literally another ad hom. This is just a cartoon response at this point.

The actual facts have been pointed out to you in many posts already, and you chose to ignore them.

That and your username being something straight out of the 6th grade makes it apparent that you’re not serious.

Wow, triple ad hom. Its funny you mention facts but there isn't any to support your ad hom rampage.


Valve has almost no reason to make a arm native Mac client. Apple chose to not support Vulkan making game porting and production harder and more expensive and with such hurdles arbitrarily created by Apple theres no incentive to put that kind of work into their games and just about nobody else has Mac native arm games.

So if Valve doesn't have arm games for Mac and nobody else does whats the point of a Mac arm native client?

If the games have to be played through Apple's or a 3rd party compatibility layer then why not the Steam client?

Why would Valve put so much time money and effort into supporting the smallest gaming demographic who blames them for Apples poor choices?

[mlody_linux]

just use windows u brokeass

[alexmaru]

引用自 The_Abortionator：

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

The actual facts have been pointed out to you in many posts already, and you chose to ignore them.

That and your username being something straight out of the 6th grade makes it apparent that you’re not serious.

Wow, triple ad hom. Its funny you mention facts but there isn't any to support your ad hom rampage.


Valve has almost no reason to make a arm native Mac client. Apple chose to not support Vulkan making game porting and production harder and more expensive and with such hurdles arbitrarily created by Apple theres no incentive to put that kind of work into their games and just about nobody else has Mac native arm games.

So if Valve doesn't have arm games for Mac and nobody else does whats the point of a Mac arm native client?

If the games have to be played through Apple's or a 3rd party compatibility layer then why not the Steam client?

Why would Valve put so much time money and effort into supporting the smallest gaming demographic who blames them for Apples poor choices?

In the February they will release Steam for Mac with new Chrome (and will drop support for 32bit Mojave).

It means, what they will update Xcode to the current version, and remove old deprecations.

Current xcode builds for ARM and Intel platform automaticly.

End of dooming.


About stats - 32% of people uses Macs in US. US still makes the half of sales, comparing to europe/asia.

[Scott, President of Dominos]

引用自 The_Abortionator：

引用自 Makise Kurisu：

The actual facts have been pointed out to you in many posts already, and you chose to ignore them.

That and your username being something straight out of the 6th grade makes it apparent that you’re not serious.

Wow, triple ad hom. Its funny you mention facts but there isn't any to support your ad hom rampage.


Valve has almost no reason to make a arm native Mac client. Apple chose to not support Vulkan making game porting and production harder and more expensive and with such hurdles arbitrarily created by Apple theres no incentive to put that kind of work into their games and just about nobody else has Mac native arm games.

So if Valve doesn't have arm games for Mac and nobody else does whats the point of a Mac arm native client?

If the games have to be played through Apple's or a 3rd party compatibility layer then why not the Steam client?

Why would Valve put so much time money and effort into supporting the smallest gaming demographic who blames them for Apples poor choices?

I want you to point to where the Steam Client uses Vulkan.

And when you can’t, think about graduating middle school.

[trav1kk]

引用自 isaacryu：

We're several years into the transition to Apple Silicon, and the Steam Mac client is still an Intel binary. Are there plans to migrate to ARM? Remaining on Intel is not a good plan.

[The_Abortionator]

引用自 mlody_linux：

just use windows u brokeass

Money isn't the issue here, its insanity thats the issue. Apple wants to make themselves as incompatible as possible and then Apple fanatics blame everyone but Apple.