dont get a mac

[frog smeller]

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i had one, i tried to game.

it sucks, dont ever buy one.

get a windows pc.

hate mac

[verdant]

Gotta agree with that one could a source be posted? So running essentially as Software as a Service business model?

[Homy]

Even Microsoft is moving towards ARM: https://www.pcworld.com/article/704538/microsoft-thinks-cloud-powered-arm-devices-are-the-pcs-future.html

[verdant]

Very interesting article! Thank you for sharing this with us!

[Captain Rayner]

Macs are the best been playing war thunder for over two years now crash crash every bloody time

[NFL Youngboy]

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title

i had one, i tried to game.

it sucks, dont ever buy one.

get a windows pc.

hate mac

Mac is only better at windows for things like music production and DJing. not really optimized for gaming.

[FANTOM]

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[ChopperGunner[NL]]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh TBEOT7:

title

i had one, i tried to game.

it sucks, dont ever buy one.

get a windows pc.

hate mac

Mac is only better at windows for things like music production and DJing. not really optimized for gaming.

Macs can do more than that fortunately lol. With the new Apple Silicon they could be good gaming machines but only if a game is truly ARM native and running within Metal.

[Lugee]

Yeah… and it's like the thing with the viruses: they are mostly built for the platform that has way more users ;-)

I'm happy with Mac with less viruses and even less games ;D

[Emanuel]

i used to use a mac and 90% of games never worked on it anyway, so yeah dont ever buy a mac

[Large Tomatoes]

A mac is a terrible gaming platform, absolutely awful in all regards except emulation, even then it isn't great. What they are great at is stability, the build quality of Apple products is amazing, the ARM silicon is the miles ahead of everything else with regard to performance per watt.

For example, my M2 Max to can run a full work day of light/medium coding without ever charging and with no noticable drop in performance, this is compared to my other work machine which is a Dell XPS with a 12900k. The Dell runs out of juice within two hours under the same workload.

They are highly priced but they hold their value, my XPS will sell for a 1/3 maybe 1/4 of the purchase price after a couple of years, the Macbook will sell for 1/2 maybe even 2/3 of the purchase price in that same amount of time.

Like or dislike Apple, nobody can logically argue that their Macbook pros aren't good. Overpriced - sure, but as I've mentioned you get the difference back upon sale. It would be nice to get bootcamp back so that I can natively run Linux and Windows when I need to, then I can get rid of the XPS.

[Homy]

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A mac is a terrible gaming platform, absolutely awful in all regards except emulation, even then it isn't great.

No and no. Terrible and awful gaming platform is just a personal preference. I wish people stopped seeing their personal needs as a general rule. Sure, Mac gaming may ”♥♥♥♥” for you but it’s perfectly fine for many. I’ve been a Mac gamer since 1996 and played both small indie games and many AAA titles from different genres the past 26 years. In fact Marathon was the reason I got my first Mac, a Performa 6200 back then. I have gamed on PPC, Intel and now Apple Silicon and not once felt Mac gaming ”sucks”. Maybe because I enjoy my games more than I compare my Macs to PC.

[verdant]

Agreed. My m2 MBP edits and processes 4k video at an amazing rate and emulation using OpenEmu is actually very good I've found. Sure it''s no Mister but it's pretty darn good. Also my load times and construction of Large format 300 plus dpi graphics in Affinisty suite is outstanding. I didn't buy it as a gaming platform except for WoW on the go or CIV 6. I have a last year model Alienware M15 I think it is I don't even remember because it's strictly a gaming machine. Each tool serves a purpose. SO kiddies think about what you are buying and why...

[Large Tomatoes]

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No and no. Terrible and awful gaming platform is just a personal preference. I wish people stopped seeing their personal needs as a general rule. Sure, Mac gaming may ”♥♥♥♥” for you but it’s perfectly fine for many. I’ve been a Mac gamer since 1996 and played both small indie games and many AAA titles from different genres the past 26 years. In fact Marathon was the reason I got my first Mac, a Performa 6200 back then. I have gamed on PPC, Intel and now Apple Silicon and not once felt Mac gaming ”sucks”. Maybe because I enjoy my games more than I compare my Macs to PC.

You seem to forget, there is an objective set of metrics of what makes the best gaming platform. Of course you can argue that if all you do is play Candy Crush whilst on the train, then a mobile phone is better than a 1500W water cooled beast. This would be subjective though, and you cannot rank something subjectively.


The Three Big Factors of a Gaming Rig
Factors such as portability are subjective
1. Compute - M1/M2 lose to the best that Intel (and possibly AMD) have to offer.
2. Graphics - M1/M2 lose to the best that NVIDIA and AMD have to offer.
3. Upgradability & Extensibility - I don't need to mention anything here.

The above are objective and the most crucial factors in a gaming rig. The other options are more subjective, but you cannot judge a platform like you are based on subjective factors. If you have a mac and you play older games or ones that aren't too demanding, then the mac is probably the best for you.

We cannot in any sane state of mind say that the Apple ecosystem is a good platform for gaming, when you can get far superior platforms for a much lower cost. I specifically call out the Apple ecosystem and not just the hardware, because macOS introduces a lot of problems in itself such as the dock popping in during game-play, likewise with the control centre. Not to mention Apples insistence on using Metal which is terrible at Ray-tracing and real time post-processing in general. Microsoft do the same with DirectX but Microsoft have a pedigree in gaming dating back decades on the PC and now the XBox. With that said they need to drop their own crappy rendering APIs and just run with the open source alternatives such as Vulkan.

tl;dr; Apple cannot compete as a gaming platform and the closed nature makes upgrades impossible. Objectively the Apple ecosystem is a terrible gaming platform. With that said, if you are invested in the Apple ecosystem, then for some types of games, Apple is perfectly fine.

[verdant]

Both well stated points :) thanks for the input!

[Scott, President of Dominos]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Homy:

No and no. Terrible and awful gaming platform is just a personal preference. I wish people stopped seeing their personal needs as a general rule. Sure, Mac gaming may ”♥♥♥♥” for you but it’s perfectly fine for many. I’ve been a Mac gamer since 1996 and played both small indie games and many AAA titles from different genres the past 26 years. In fact Marathon was the reason I got my first Mac, a Performa 6200 back then. I have gamed on PPC, Intel and now Apple Silicon and not once felt Mac gaming ”sucks”. Maybe because I enjoy my games more than I compare my Macs to PC.

You seem to forget, there is an objective set of metrics of what makes the best gaming platform. Of course you can argue that if all you do is play Candy Crush whilst on the train, then a mobile phone is better than a 1500W water cooled beast. This would be subjective though, and you cannot rank something subjectively.


The Three Big Factors of a Gaming Rig
Factors such as portability are subjective
1. Compute - M1/M2 lose to the best that Intel (and possibly AMD) have to offer.
2. Graphics - M1/M2 lose to the best that NVIDIA and AMD have to offer.
3. Upgradability & Extensibility - I don't need to mention anything here.

The above are objective and the most crucial factors in a gaming rig. The other options are more subjective, but you cannot judge a platform like you are based on subjective factors. If you have a mac and you play older games or ones that aren't too demanding, then the mac is probably the best for you.

We cannot in any sane state of mind say that the Apple ecosystem is a good platform for gaming, when you can get far superior platforms for a much lower cost. I specifically call out the Apple ecosystem and not just the hardware, because macOS introduces a lot of problems in itself such as the dock popping in during game-play, likewise with the control centre. Not to mention Apples insistence on using Metal which is terrible at Ray-tracing and real time post-processing in general. Microsoft do the same with DirectX but Microsoft have a pedigree in gaming dating back decades on the PC and now the XBox. With that said they need to drop their own crappy rendering APIs and just run with the open source alternatives such as Vulkan.

tl;dr; Apple cannot compete as a gaming platform and the closed nature makes upgrades impossible. Objectively the Apple ecosystem is a terrible gaming platform. With that said, if you are invested in the Apple ecosystem, then for some types of games, Apple is perfectly fine.

Most gamers don't open their computers to upgrade jack ♥♥♥♥. 99% of people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about "muh upgradeability" haven't opened their own box.

Likewise, the price of "The best Intel/AMD offer" keeps going up and up. At what point is too much? $2k for a gpu, $400 for a cpu, that's $2400 to beat a laptop that takes a fraction of the power draw.

And the whole "Metal vs. Vulkan" is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anyway, since any engine that supports Vulkan supports Metal in the first place. Typically engines that don't support Metal are DirectX only. And nobody's programming low level hacks in-game anymore, which is what Vulkan excels at.

It's clear that you have no clue what you're talking about.