running an old unsupported client

[nitro912gr the Tryharder]

Can I just do that?
I run osx 10.6.8 and I want to play some of the old games that I know support this system.
I have the offline backup and I can use it to install the old steam client but I was wondering if this could be a problem, like steam starting believing my account is compromised or something because of the old client.

Anybody is running an old client?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Jack Schitt eredeti hozzászólása:

I would definitely use one of the options that leads to contacting official support to contact them and ask them. Relying on what the community says might be a mistake that leads to bad things because there's no guarantee what anyone in the community says, even admin and moderators and developers, is accurate according to Valve / Steam policies. Very good idea to ask support since that's the only people who can give you a 100% accurate answer.

Actually...they may be able to suggest a way you can run the old games on the newest client.
I haven't dealt with support very often but the times I have they were very helpful and did everything they could to resolve my issue and satisfy my concerns and get me playing the games I wanted to play if it was in any way possible to have a positive result in what I wanted or was concerned about.

Read pot #11.....that's NOT from "the community" ....it's from Valve.


READ the links, people!!!

[Jack Schitt]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| eredeti hozzászólása:

Read pot #11.....that's NOT from "the community" ....it's from Valve.


READ the links, people!!!

Whatever a "pot" is...I can read, write and speak several languages but unfortunately I can't read and write minds. I did read your other reply, by the way.

Your other reply has absolutely no relevance to this subject. They're not using a hacked or pirated or unauthorized version of the client they're using an older version install file they have. It's an officially licensed older release of the Steam Client from Valve.

I looked through the terms of service and there's nothing that says we have to use the newest version of the client. And nothing that says we can't use an older version of the client.

It's not what steam "thinks" as you said, it's according to their published rules, policies, guidelines and terms of service agreement. Since nobody has produced an official link that says anything about using older versions it truly is a good idea and there's not a thing wrong with contacting an official to ask them about it before doing it and finding out the hard way it's a violation.

A positive that might come out of contacting support is that support might know of way to run the games they want to play on the newest client.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You obviously knew pot was a typo. Ever made a typo? Yes, you have. "Older clients" aren't supported and if they are ...they would just update to the newest version anyway.

[Jack Schitt]

They way some people are lazy when they type and abreviate things expecting everyone to know exactly what they mean these days I don't assume anything when reading what people text or type. For all I knew you were abreviating something. Sure I make typos. Sometimes.
I'm almost perfect though so it's extremely rare I make any mistakes. That's why I make the big bucks.

Of course older clients may not be supported, nothing I saw says they're definiltey not supported. That doesn't mean it's a violation of rules, terms or any agreements to use them it just means they won't provide support if there's problems.

I use old version of programs a lot for several and various reasons. It's not a violation of anything or illegal to use older versions.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Read what I said. Even if an old version is supported, it's going to automatically update to the newest version anyway. Rendering it pointless.

[Jack Schitt]

Again, I did read it. The follwing has also been shared by someone else, that you either didn't read or won't accept (?):

That update thing that launches before the client launches is primarily a file integrity validator. If files are in tact it doesn't update and that prompt only happens if the client isn't properly shut down. If the client is shut down properly before the machine is shut down by going to Steam > Exit in the client window you'll never see that prompt. That prompt happens when it's forcefully shut down by the operating system. It's an integrity checker, not an updater.
And the cancel option can also be clicked in that prompt. If cancel is clicked it skips whatever it's doing and launches the client.

Try it and see! (before arguing, please).

Old versions can be run and that prompt can be avoided completely as well as client update prompts can be completely avoided by running in offline mode or choosing to decline the update when prompted. Updates are not a requirement they are optional.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

lol.....there is NO way to keep the client from updating. Period. If you don't update when prompted...it'll do it for you, eventually, IF it doesn't...that means it's NOT supported and is a hacked verson of the client and we go right back to the suspened account scenario.

In the end, what you think means squat. What Valve thinks is everything. Their software. Their rules I wouldn't advise asking Support about this, either.

You're reading and seeing what you want, so there's no point in continuing this at all.

[Jack Schitt]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| eredeti hozzászólása:

lol.....there is NO way to keep the client from updating. Period. If you don't update when prompted...it'll do it for you, eventually, IF it doesn't...that means it's NOT supported and is hacked verson of the client and we go right back to the suspened account scenario.

In the end, what you think means squat. What Valve thinks is everything. Their software. Their rules I wouldn't advise asking Support about this, either.

You're reading and seeing what you want, so there's no point in continuing this at all.

You are wrong. And it is you that's only seeing and believing what you want according to your opinion, not fact or experience.

Haven't you ever declined an update? I have. Many times and for a long period of time. They're optional, not required. And using an older version is not using a "hacked" version...it's using an older version of which there is nothing wrong with.
Haven't you ever saved a setup file? I guess not.

You must not ever properly shut the client down before shutting your computer down or you'd also know and agree that that other thing is a validator that doesn't show up if it's properly shut down.
You're wrong, dude.

Use Steam > Exit and restart your computer and see for yourself! Try it!
Bets open, any money you do not see that "update" prompt when the computer restarts. When you click the Steam icon (if it's not set to auto start) it will launch right in to the login screen of the client. I just did it to be sure of it myself...

You can easily find the real facts by searching Google, or trying them yourself. None of which you have done it's just your thoughts and opinion, which are not correct.

Enjoy your lonely corner by yourself.

[nitro912gr the Tryharder]

peace brothers, I would love to use a newer client but the newer version will not run on the OSX 10.6.8 that I'm running. That is then I can either keep using that old client and keep blocking the updates or update to a newer version of OSX.

(Which I can do, but OSX have became a really, really terrible OS in the post Steve Jobs era and my machine cramble under the heavy burden of the latest version. So I decided that I prefer to have the machine with old unsupported software that works fast and great, than have it with the newer support software that run like crap and I need 5 minutes just to open the machine. Not to mention how slow everything works with the latest OSX).

[Jack Schitt]

A lot of people have been starting to use Linux operating systems with GUI's like Peppermint, Ubuntu, etc because it's not only OSX that's burying themselves like that by making a mess and horrible product anymore. Microsoft isn't doing the same exact scenario making a horrible product they're doing things according to however and whatever they think would be a better convenience for everyone and leaving old school computer users suffer with either not being able to do things the way they have for the past 25+ years and having to learn a new way of doing it as well as being extremely intrusive to people's privacy using convenience as an excuse.

I haven't yet moved to Lindows (Linux with GUI operating system) but I'm pretty sure I'll end up there eventually. The reason I've stayed here using windows is because things I want to do, like game, isn't widely available on linux version operating systems. Thankfully it's gaining popularity.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

nitro912gr the Tryhard eredeti hozzászólása:

peace brothers, I would love to use a newer client but the newer version will not run on the OSX 10.6.8 that I'm running. That is then I can either keep using that old client and keep blocking the updates or update to a newer version of OSX.

(Which I can do, but OSX have became a really, really terrible OS in the post Steve Jobs era and my machine cramble under the heavy burden of the latest version. So I decided that I prefer to have the machine with old unsupported software that works fast and great, than have it with the newer support software that run like crap and I need 5 minutes just to open the machine. Not to mention how slow everything works with the latest OSX).

Does Apple even support that version anymore? From what I researched it looks like they don't and if they don't I don't understand why you would think Valve should support it. That's Snow Leopard... and that's old.

[nitro912gr the Tryharder]

no they don't, I don't want valve support it, I want them to provide a way to play the games that I paid for and they are old enough to support the OS themselves.
Like gog does.

Or at least I want valve to let me use the old client, I accept the risks that come with this and I don't mind. Like I do with every other software I use on that system.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

nitro912gr the Tryhard eredeti hozzászólása:

no they don't, I don't want valve support it, I want them to provide a way to play the games that I paid for and they are old enough to support the OS themselves.
Like gog does.

Or at least I want valve to let me use the old client, I accept the risks that come with this and I don't mind. Like I do with every other software I use on that system.

If you're going to use a PC or Mac as a gaming platform, you're going to have to realize one thing - updates. Why is it Valves' job to support your OS when Apple won't even do it?

You paid for the game, yes.... and it's your job to keep your machine up to date so you can play it.


EDIT
Steam isn't GoG, either. Just because they do something, that doesn't mean that Valve should do the same.

[nitro912gr the Tryharder]

Sorry but you don't really understand your rights as a consumer. I paid for a game to play at system that I had at this time. I do expect this game to keep working on that system if I freeze it in time and it does, the steam client is the problem.

So no, it is not my job to do anything. It is like you tell me that I can no longer use my car because the company is no longer selling parts for it, even if it works.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

nitro912gr the Tryhard eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry but you don't really understand your rights as a consumer. I paid for a game to play at system that I had at this time. I do expect this game to keep working on that system if I freeze it in time and it does, the steam client is the problem.

So no, it is not my job to do anything. It is like you tell me that I can no longer use my car because the company is no longer selling parts for it, even if it works.

You have right to expect Valve to support an OS, when the people who created the OS won't even support it.

I don't really understand why you can't understand how crazy it is to expect that.