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MasterOfUnlocking 2013년 9월 5일 오전 6시 56분

PS4: worth it?

Hi,

So, as we all know, the PS4 will be released in a few months. I am considering buying one, but I am not sure about it because I already own a PC and I'd only buy it if the hardware of the PS4 is at least equal or better than my PC and delivers superior framerates and graphics. My PC has the following specs: i7 2600k@4.3 Ghz; 12 GB DDR3 1600, Radeon HD 7970 3GB@1125/ 1575, 1.5 TB HD, Windows 8 64 bit. So, what do you think, is my hardware still ok or will the PS4 be better for gaming than my PC?

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MasterOfUnlocking 2013년 9월 6일 오전 6시 10분

intok님이 먼저 게시:
ResistanceShane님이 먼저 게시:
i also agree with above poster. 8 gigs is alot and for example BF4 will have 64 ppl on a server like the PC.

It's not just that it's 8Gb of ram, it's 8GB of GDDR5 video ram, but it's using AMD's new HSA architecture so that the CPU shares the GPU's ram pool.

AMD's Kaveri series APUs will be using it on the desktop. What it does it removes the limitations of the standard DDR3 ram for the APU as well as the latency limitations of the PCI bus.

So what does it mean? GPU based physics and AI calculations! They'll be far faster then even sending it from an i7 Haswell to an HD7970 since it doesn't have to be copied back and fourth between the system ram to the GPU ram processing and get sent back to the CPU to be added back to the game engine data then that data sent to the GPU to be drawn on the screen.

Offloading physics calculations from the CPU to the PS4s GPU is not such a good idea since then less resources are available for graphics calculations. It works with powerful cards like the Geforce GTX 680 and with a Radeon HD7970 (if Radeon cards had GPU physics), but the graphics chip inside the PS4 is not a top-of-the-line chip.
Also the memory bandwidth (176 GB/s) of the PS4 sounds impressive at first, but, for example, my overclocked HD7970 with 3 GB ram has 288 GB/s bandwidth, which is a quite a bit more. Also, using GDDR5 as main system ram might be a bit tricky since it doesn't have as good latencies as DDR3 has.
As I already stated earlier, the hardware itself is not impressive, but the fact that developpers can program directly "into the metal" will negate a lot of the hardware's shortcomings.

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intok 2013년 9월 6일 오전 8시 25분

Instead of Gbit/s ratings numbers lets see some actual FPS on the closest GPU to it: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970M.72675.0.html certainly no pushover.

And graphics aren't everything, you aren't pushing multiple screens, you pushing a TV with a max resolution of 1920x1080@60Hz. Details don't have to be as fine grained as unlike with a PC game you aren't sitting within 4 feet of the screen.

That and intentionally lower quality graphics leave quite a bit of extra grunt to throw around.

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27 2013년 9월 6일 오전 8시 30분

In my eyes no console worth it. Better buy a PS Vita, Nintendo 3DS. PS Vita is good, I have one. Or an Ipad, New Phone anything, PC upgrade, but no consoles.

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Dellicious 2013년 9월 6일 오전 8시 37분

Valzeras님이 먼저 게시:
Nintendo 2ds>PS4

Hahahah good joke

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27 2013년 9월 6일 오전 8시 38분

My PC > My PS Vita > My ASUS Ultrabook > Consoles

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MasterOfUnlocking 2013년 9월 6일 오전 8시 45분

intok님이 먼저 게시:
Instead of Gbit/s ratings numbers lets see some actual FPS on the closest GPU to it: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7970M.72675.0.html certainly no pushover.

And graphics aren't everything, you aren't pushing multiple screens, you pushing a TV with a max resolution of 1920x1080@60Hz. Details don't have to be as fine grained as unlike with a PC game you aren't sitting within 4 feet of the screen.

That and intentionally lower quality graphics leave quite a bit of extra grunt to throw around.

Of course, I'm not saying that the PS4 hardware is bad, nor am I saying that PS4 games will look bad, in fact they will certainly look very good and the games will of course be very good. I'm just saying that the hardware inside the machine is solid and well-designed, but not as powerful as the hardware inside a good gaming rig made in 2012 or 2013. That is hardly possible anyways since the PS4 has to be affordable and not expensive like the PS3 was in 2006/ 2007.

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Expeon 2013년 9월 7일 오후 9시 26분

PS4 will kill PC gaming. AAA pc exclusive games are already a thing of the past wih the exception of a few mmos. Even the MMO genre will be eager to jump on board with the next generation consoles. So consoles will stay relievent while PC releases stay true to form and push players to continue to buy hundreds of dollars worth of upgrades every couple of years just to be able to run the same titles. Within 2-3 years your 400 dollar ps4 will sill be running newly released titles. The same titles that won't scale down low enough to even run on your 600 dollar 3 year old rig. Kind of makes you go huh? PC gaming will have nothing exclusive to offer and will only be able to boast of higher graphics which come at a high cost. I've always enjoyed PC gaming because I felt the games where deeper I had more options and controls. That is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I'm done with costly upgrades. I'll just be waiting on ps4 and I don't believe I'll miss any exciting titles or features, only some sparkles and glitter. Yes I'm ranting, and yes im mad because I didn't make specs on a tittle I wanted to play on PC. Thankfully it also released for ps3.

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Dellicious 2013년 9월 7일 오후 9시 30분

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maedi 2013년 9월 8일 오전 12시 44분

Personally, I'm not going to buy one - certainly not at launch. If there are exlusives I want later down the line, that's when I'll buy, but not straight out, when my PC is more powerful (and games more moddable).

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MasterOfUnlocking 2013년 9월 8일 오전 1시 03분

MeLoco님이 먼저 게시:
PS4 will kill PC gaming. AAA pc exclusive games are already a thing of the past wih the exception of a few mmos. Even the MMO genre will be eager to jump on board with the next generation consoles. So consoles will stay relievent while PC releases stay true to form and push players to continue to buy hundreds of dollars worth of upgrades every couple of years just to be able to run the same titles. Within 2-3 years your 400 dollar ps4 will sill be running newly released titles. The same titles that won't scale down low enough to even run on your 600 dollar 3 year old rig. Kind of makes you go huh? PC gaming will have nothing exclusive to offer and will only be able to boast of higher graphics which come at a high cost. I've always enjoyed PC gaming because I felt the games where deeper I had more options and controls. That is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I'm done with costly upgrades. I'll just be waiting on ps4 and I don't believe I'll miss any exciting titles or features, only some sparkles and glitter. Yes I'm ranting, and yes im mad because I didn't make specs on a tittle I wanted to play on PC. Thankfully it also released for ps3.

I've heard the "consoles will kill PCs" argument since the PS2 was released. Didn't happen then and won't happen now. I have spent about 2500 dollars to build a decent rig last year which was built to last me about three to four years and I'm pretty sure I'll get most of that money back because games are pretty inexpensive on PC, and even less expensive when there are Steam sales. PS4 games cost about twice as much (and more). So I think I'll save money in the long run.
I might still get a PS4, but only for exclusives, multiplatform titles are worse on consoles and I can't mod my games (for example Skyrim).

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ResistanceRB 2013년 9월 8일 오전 3시 58분

i don't think the PS4 will kill consoles. im only getting it because it's cheaper than getting a whole new PC plus with BF4 you can have 64 ppl on a server like in a PC. A real beast of a comp will always be the best game machine imho

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