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The joystick isn't for shooting, it's for flying. Both of those games let you use m+kb while on foot, then immediately swap to a controller when you hop in a vehicle.
Tie Fighter (and the other old star wars sims, they all play quite well with a joystick)
Jane's WW2
Flyboys: Squadrons of WW1
I know quite a few others, but these are some of the best.
THE GOOD STUFF:
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Flight Stick Support:
Arma 3 (tested myself)
Star Citizen (about to test out)
This thread has been brought back multiple times over the years, I love seeing new additions :)
Thank you kindly ;)
Or any bandai Namco games