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What you mean to say is that they are not kids who live off of someone else's money and thus have to sometimes work and take care of other things outside of playing games. They prefer P2P MMOs, because they can afford it and don't have time to grind even more mindlessly, as they would have in F2P MMOs.
I'm sorry to burst that self-flattering bubble, but being irresponsible or unemployed doesn't make you a "real gamer". It makes you a burden of society.
OK, name me an F2P that isn't a Pay2Win that always works out to be WAY more exspensive then a subscription MMO that isn't an incredibly boring grindfest to reach a high enough level you can actually be able to have fun in the game in PvP? I gave up on them after trying dozens and finding them all to be crap.
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No F2P I've ever played meets that criteria. Now though, I did play FF11 for nearly a year, while I wasn't strong enough to be of much use in the RvR battles I did at least stand a chance at an assist if I used my Red Mage/Blackmage combo as I could tag along with a high level player and lob debuffs at the opponents, they didn't always stick, but it's pretty funny when they did, such as managing to hit a Lv75 Black Mage with Mute at Lv15.
FF11 also had several level capped challenge quests that forced everyone above that level to be temporarily downgraded to the level cap, this included limiting their equipment to that range, forcing them to have something at or below the level cap or go on without equipment. These more often then not also required you to make not just a full 6 member party, but a full 18 member alliance to take on the challenge.
The only reason I gave up is because I didn't want to buy game credits from the botters, they had cornered the markets on every server and had so massively inflated the price of all gear that I saw a complete set of Lv30 gear that was competent, not good, not max possible with rare drops gear, just competent that everyone used but which had to be crafted as no shop in the game sold anything worth getting go from just under 80k to over 1 million credits and stay there more 4 months. all gear past that point was exponentially more expensive then that. No matter what Square tried for every bot they deleted 3 more would take it's place. Not a day went by that every fishing hole, mining site, herb garden and woodland wasn't filled with bots collecting the crafting items faster then you could react to their presence on screen. In every town with an auction house or a crafting guild the area around it was a land of incredible lag as there was always hundreds of bots constantly crafting new items to be sold at crazy high prices.
And whats this crap about a "gamer lifestyle", among my favorite games are Metal Gear Solid(whole cannon series), House Of The Dead(arcade), Wolfenstein 3D(DOS), King Of Fighters '99, Zelda series(original through Link To The Past, excluding Link Zelda 2), Lost Vikings, Gauntlet(Arcade), Tobal, Armored Core 2, Earthworm Jim, NBA Jam, Shadow Of The Colossus, Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, WWF Raw(SNES), Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast(Windows), Escape Velocity series(Mac), Time Crisis(arcade), Virtua Fighter etc.
So yeah, apparently I'm not a gamer because I'd rather pay a subscription for a game that actually put some thought into the content to ensure that you never went more then 5 levels without unlocking some new challenges.
"Theft" is common in the gaming industry, in fact it's common in all industry. What matters is who can deliver the best quality product for the price, if Square has worked out the aforementioned issues I may give them another try, since they certainly delivered in every other aspect with FF11.
** The only F2P MMO I keep installed is Champions Of Regnum as I started playing it just out of the beta(Back when it was Regnum Online and the only server was Ra, about 5? years ago) and made several friends in it that still play so I check in from time to time to see whats up with them and give pointers to new players in the realm chat. I don't play anymore since the level cap was raised to Lv60. It already took an absolutely horrendous amount of time to grind a healer of all things from Lv40 up to Lv47 when the cap was only Lv50, I'm talking straight up weeks of spending 4-6 hours a night non stop chain grinding with a barbarian or marksman with me getting most of the EXP per kill due to the way the combat contribution system worked, since I was throwing out tons of high level buffs, heals and mana regens while almost never actually doing any direct damage I would get more of the EXP.
Lv1-16 mage type could be done in about5 hours solo, if you became a healer and had a Lv30+ knight to power level you could hit Lv30 inside of the 16 hour mark, this however entirely relies on a very specific list of abilities, quests and player technique to use.
At least the people I played Regnum with where good for a conversation.
Guild Wars 2. Easy. Purchase it once, and you own it forever. No subscription fees and the PvP, World vs World and PvE content is excellent.
But anyways, this is an RPG thread. For singleplayer games. This is not a theard about MMOs. So I would appriciate it if you guys took this discussion somewhere else.
1. Star Ocean: The Second Story (original for the Playstation)
2. Lunar: Silver Star Harmony (because I never did get the chance to play the original)
3. Grandia II
The Legend of Dragoon will make it onto this list if I ever manage to remember where I left off.. sigh.
Prove they're poor and living off welfare. I bet they have more money in their pockets than you do. example Towelliee.
2. Sacred 2: Amazing world, amazing skilling, amazing soundtrack...
3. Two Worlds 2: Great game with good multiplayer, but the multiplayer gets fast boring
4. Divinity 2: Another great action rpg. It has a beatiful story, world, environment
5. Witcher 2: Just great :)
secret of mana(snes)
sword of mana(game boy advanced)
legend of mana(ps1)
children of mana(game boy advanced)
lunar the silver star story complete
grandia 1 and 2(ps1)
final fantasy (all of em)
evolution 1and 2(dreamcast)
wild A.R.M.S(series)ps1)
suikoden 1and 2(ps1)
arc the lad
lufia (series)
dragon warrior(aka,dragon quest)(series)
chrono cross(ps1)
chrono trigger(snes)
secret of evermore(snes)
azure dreams(ps1)
xeno gears(ps1)
xeno saga(xbox)
phantasy star (series)(sega master system,sega genesis,sega dreamcast)
neutopia(NES)
y,s(series)
atlier(series)*(playstaion)
starocean(series)(playstation)
jade cocoon1and 2(ps1)
zelda(series)nintendo
tales of (series)
illusion of gaia(snes)
paladins quest(snes)
crystalis(nes)
star tropics(nes)
super hydlide(nes)
elder scrolls( series,well 3 4 and five)
fallout 3 and newvegas(
baldurs gate(series)(pc and playstation)
never winter nights(pc)
earth bound(snes)
temple of elemental evil(pc)
icewindale(pc)
golden sun(game boy advanced)
bluedragon(xbox 360)
super mario rpg(snes)
kindom hearts
breath of fire(series)(
ar tonelico(xbox)
to name a few good ones for ya:)