Whats better a ligthsaber or a energy sword

[Butter_Creature]

hi

[so nice gamer]

Although, the Gravity Hammer[halo.wikia.com] is considered to be analagous to the energy sword, in the way that it's a symbolic weapon only wielded by Brutes who've demonstrated great power. Not very finesse, is it?

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Ah, I understand then.
And so the book/wikia should have said they have honour only to themselves.

Well, the Elites kinda have this thing where if they lose their honour, the only way to get it back is to kill themselves with an energy sword, because if they don't, they don't get to go to alien heaven or something.

But thank you Halo, for making religious wars fun http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Covenant_Empire

Look at all those cool religious names and stuff. Just look at 'em :D
Prophet of This
Prophet of That
High Charity
...Activating a huge everything-killing-artifact as a mean of transcendence, and call it "Great Journey"

[Marksinator]

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believe me, i understand the jedi and all that, my brother loves all things starwars, he is saying you will most likely win this debate.

but anyway, here is a review of the energy sword (its not extremely good)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB29jEoLu_A

i also have a Halo visual guide book next to me, and Basically recapping what i said earlier, it says

"Traditional Weaponry- Following the Elites' longstanding tradition of swords and bladed weapons, the type 1 energy weapon/sword, was designed to execute lethal strikes in the hands of a well trained combatant. historically seen as a noble weapon, the energy sword is aligned with the elites rigid sense of honor. demanding the utmost skill and precision from its user, the sword is carried by high ranking elites such as Zealots, SpecOps and Generals."

The reason its so easy to kill an elite with an energy sword is because most of the time you are a spartan, they are chemically and physically enhanced, elites are born the way they are.

Take away the jedi holding the lightsaber and replace them with an unskilled person, not going to end well.

Take away an elite/Spartan holding the energy sword and replace them with a marine/normal person, still not going to end well.

as i stated before, i believe they are fairly equal, jedi and elites share many traits, except for the ability to use the force of course. they both have honour, respect for others, and are well trained.

But remember, this was about which weapon is better, not which person using the weapon.

That's what the wiki says too, but we haven't seen any fights using them besides player and story fights, which aren't impressive at all. It is telling me something that isn't shown to me to be true.

Of course a Padawan will not fend well against anything. Though I would sort of disagree, as we have seen even a Padawan leading impressive fights for their age and level of skill. As shown with Ahsoka, and the fights the Padawan engaged in during the Great Jedi Purge. I don't know if you have seen the movies, but do you remember the young boy who jumps out and over the Storm Troopers and begins to fight? Even though he died, his fighting skills were top notch and could have easily defeated an Elite with an Energy Sword.

I would use the same thing to say against Elites, but I cannot because nearly every Elite in the game can use the sword (I've seen Elites pick up the swords from dead companions) at exactly the same kind of skill, so it isn't all that impressive.

I disagree; the Jedi and the Elites are not equal in the slightest. The Jedi are far more capable, further trained, shows greater ability, grace, intelligence, patience, and more—and we aren't just "told this", we are shown this through various means like comics, shows, animations, games, movies etc etc. The Elites are brutes with plasma swords and above average strength (?) in comparison to the Jedi/Sith.

If there were videos to demonstrate what the book and wikia claims and could show me exemplary fighting skills as I have demonstrated with my Star Wars scenes, then I would reconsider my stance, but for now the Jedi and the Lightsaber make for better warriors and for better weapons.

And I gave why the Lightsaber is better. It is lighter, more precise, handles well (and can be modified to fit the user, too) and can deflect everything thus far and cut through most anything. The Energy Sword is basically like a regular weapon. And the level of skill it, the Lightsaber, requires is also a reason for why it is a better weapon than the Energy Sword.

the energy sword would either be lighter or heavier than a light saber seeing as they are both small bits of metal that emit the energy (the blade for the energy sword is Super heated Plasma held in place by sophisticated magnetic fields)
here is a good picture of the hilt of an energy sword
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/71/EnergySword_hilt-transparent.png

Now, you said the jedi are more intelligent, now i must say that that may be giving too much credit to the jedi, Elites have Invented many good pieces of technology such as their energy shields, Swords and Plasma firing blasters. what have the jedi actually created? their lightsabers? what else? i have not heard of anything else.

Also, who has heard of a jedi having fun or making good jokes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3EtmoZnNGM

and can you make a rap video with a jedi? nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDw0q-KyZ_Y

the elites have survived many wars, Conquered hundreds of worlds, helped create the covenant, become great military leaders, they always wish to be in battle, they managed to defeat the covenant with the help of the humans. what exactly do we know the jedi for? helping destroy the deathstar? imagine a small covenant fleet, they "glass" a world (Melt it with plasma), they broke through the best defended planets military protection barriers (Reach, the planet) and utterly decimated everyone/thing on it. Imagine the ENTIRE Covenant Armada attacking the starwars universe, who would win? and what else do we know the jedi for? stopping a couple of sith lords and "keeping balance"? they allowed a sith to live among them for Years without noticing a thing (talking about palpatine here).
you also said the lightsaber can be modified? so can energy sword hilts, just not ingame, heres a modified one from halo wars
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/f/f6/ArbiterHWSword.jpg

[Marksinator]

also, i understand the jedi have done more, just forgot to type it in.

[Detail.movie💕]

A lightsaber obviously. Duh, pfft.

[Rubik748]

Right. Its gotta be pointed out...

How can a Jedi or Sith, swing or rotate a lightsaber when its not weighted? This was pointed by by my younger brother a while back.

[Universalerror]

For those who don't know, an energy sword can deflect bullets. It wasn't implemented into the game probably as it would have made the weapon too over powered or there wasn't a way of doing that at the time. Therefore, I think that energy sword it superior.

[Ilrita]

>Marksinator

In comparison to the Lightsaber, the Energy Sword is clearly heavier. There is much more heftiness to the Energy Sword than there is the typical Lightsaber.

Now, you said the jedi are more intelligent, now i must say that that may be giving too much credit to the jedi, Elites have Invented many good pieces of technology such as their energy shields, Swords and Plasma firing blasters. what have the jedi actually created? their lightsabers? what else? i have not heard of anything else.

You are kidding, right...? Or are you arguing the Jedi are not as intelligent as the Elites? We are talking about people who are warriors known for their intelligence and resourcefulness—Jedi are always intelligent. Whether or not the Elites created Plasma Blasters or energy shields (Jedi & their time's people have those, too) has nothing to do with proving the Elite > Jedi in intelligence in and by itself, at the least.

The Jedi most likely did not even exist—as they are now as the Jedi Order—before Starships, laser guns/plasma tech, shields, or anything else was made as I do believe the art of interstellar travel was re-found in or around 100,000 BBY. I do believe, and correct me if I am wrong fellow fans, that the Jedi were only found around 36,453 BBY and there were "already" starships and the like. This is hardly a means to use to say one is more intelligent than the other.

the elites have survived many wars, Conquered hundreds of worlds, helped create the covenant, become great military leaders, they always wish to be in battle, they managed to defeat the covenant with the help of the humans. what exactly do we know the jedi for? helping destroy the deathstar? imagine a small covenant fleet, they "glass" a world (Melt it with plasma), they broke through the best defended planets military protection barriers (Reach, the planet) and utterly decimated everyone/thing on it. Imagine the ENTIRE Covenant Armada attacking the starwars universe, who would win? and what else do we know the jedi for? stopping a couple of sith lords and "keeping balance"? they allowed a sith to live among them for Years without noticing a thing (talking about palpatine here).
you also said the lightsaber can be modified? so can energy sword hilts, just not ingame, heres a modified one from halo wars

The Jedi have survived, I guarantee you, far more wars. They survived even Purges that nearly wiped them out each and every time. The Jedi, as far as I am aware, has never conquered worlds though—as more peaceful, intelligent beings they see no use or means to do such a thing.

Now I am entirely unsure if you are being serious or not. "What are the Jedi known for?"? Are you serious? In the Star Wars universe, they are known for hundreds of different things. Saving millions of lives, establishing a better life for people, forming the Republic and helping with trade routes and far more. Helping destroy the Deathstar, though, was an incredible feat for only one Jedi and a small—in comparison—rebel army. But have you ever watched/read/looked into Star Wars at all? Surely you would not have asked me this if you had.

The Sith are great in deceit; for they, too, are intelligent warriors who are sadly gifted with The Force. Palpatine was a genius obviously and very powerful, for he was not only able to greatly Cloud over his ties to the Dark Side to keep the Jedi from sensing "his" connection to the Dark Side (though they could feel the Dark Side was surrounding them for peril), but was smart enough to undermine the Republic and the Jedi—so that should say even more to you about the abilities of a Jedi/Sith as a warrior.

Question; does that modification actually serve a purpose or actually change the Energy Sword in any way, or is it just for aesthetic pleasure of the wielder? Modification for the Lightsaber can deal with specific needs of the user, which would actually effect that one Lightsaber's performance, weight, length, size, shape (for better handling and ease of use and speed) and more.

[Ilrita]

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For those who don't know, an energy sword can deflect bullets. It wasn't implemented into the game probably as it would have made the weapon too over powered or there wasn't a way of doing that at the time. Therefore, I think that energy sword it superior.

Just bullets?

So being able to do "one" of the exact things a Lightsaber can do means it is superior? Care to explain how?

[Ilrita]

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Right. Its gotta be pointed out...

How can a Jedi or Sith, swing or rotate a lightsaber when its not weighted? This was pointed by by my younger brother a while back.

I do believe it is properly described as "<near> weightlessness", for basically it is only the hilt that has the weight of the sword. In fact, even the wikia states; "Due to the weightlessness <of plasma>". The plasma is nearly weightless (probably weightless) and is held in a force containment field. So since it is held in place and protecting the user form its heat/effects, then it would be very easy to swing just a handle for the Jedi/Sith.

Who told you it was not weighted?

[5st]

this is you're reply... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI

[Ilrita]

How could I have forgotten about that fight?! Such an amazing fight scene!

[Marksinator]

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>Marksinator

In comparison to the Lightsaber, the Energy Sword is clearly heavier. There is much more heftiness to the Energy Sword than there is the typical Lightsaber.

Now, you said the jedi are more intelligent, now i must say that that may be giving too much credit to the jedi, Elites have Invented many good pieces of technology such as their energy shields, Swords and Plasma firing blasters. what have the jedi actually created? their lightsabers? what else? i have not heard of anything else.

You are kidding, right...? Or are you arguing the Jedi are not as intelligent as the Elites? We are talking about people who are warriors known for their intelligence and resourcefulness—Jedi are always intelligent. Whether or not the Elites created Plasma Blasters or energy shields (Jedi & their time's people have those, too) has nothing to do with proving the Elite > Jedi in intelligence in and by itself, at the least.

The Jedi most likely did not even exist—as they are now as the Jedi Order—before Starships, laser guns/plasma tech, shields, or anything else was made as I do believe the art of interstellar travel was re-found in or around 100,000 BBY. I do believe, and correct me if I am wrong fellow fans, that the Jedi were only found around 36,453 BBY and there were "already" starships and the like. This is hardly a means to use to say one is more intelligent than the other.

the elites have survived many wars, Conquered hundreds of worlds, helped create the covenant, become great military leaders, they always wish to be in battle, they managed to defeat the covenant with the help of the humans. what exactly do we know the jedi for? helping destroy the deathstar? imagine a small covenant fleet, they "glass" a world (Melt it with plasma), they broke through the best defended planets military protection barriers (Reach, the planet) and utterly decimated everyone/thing on it. Imagine the ENTIRE Covenant Armada attacking the starwars universe, who would win? and what else do we know the jedi for? stopping a couple of sith lords and "keeping balance"? they allowed a sith to live among them for Years without noticing a thing (talking about palpatine here).
you also said the lightsaber can be modified? so can energy sword hilts, just not ingame, heres a modified one from halo wars

The Jedi have survived, I guarantee you, far more wars. They survived even Purges that nearly wiped them out each and every time. The Jedi, as far as I am aware, has never conquered worlds though—as more peaceful, intelligent beings they see no use or means to do such a thing.

Now I am entirely unsure if you are being serious or not. "What are the Jedi known for?"? Are you serious? In the Star Wars universe, they are known for hundreds of different things. Saving millions of lives, establishing a better life for people, forming the Republic and helping with trade routes and far more. Helping destroy the Deathstar, though, was an incredible feat for only one Jedi and a small—in comparison—rebel army. But have you ever watched/read/looked into Star Wars at all? Surely you would not have asked me this if you had.

The Sith are great in deceit; for they, too, are intelligent warriors who are sadly gifted with The Force. Palpatine was a genius obviously and very powerful, for he was not only able to greatly Cloud over his ties to the Dark Side to keep the Jedi from sensing "his" connection to the Dark Side (though they could feel the Dark Side was surrounding them for peril), but was smart enough to undermine the Republic and the Jedi—so that should say even more to you about the abilities of a Jedi/Sith as a warrior.

Question; does that modification actually serve a purpose or actually change the Energy Sword in any way, or is it just for aesthetic pleasure of the wielder? Modification for the Lightsaber can deal with specific needs of the user, which would actually effect that one Lightsaber's performance, weight, length, size, shape (for better handling and ease of use and speed) and more.

to answer your question, its both aesthetic and gives more comfort to the elites, they do have only 3 or 4 fingers. I have seen starwars, all the movies, but it has been a long time, and i stated in a later message that i knew the jedi had done more but i had forgotten to type it.
i understand the sith are good at deceit and all, but the dude had a red lightsaber, so far i have only seen sith wield red lightsabers. you said the lightsaber is fairly light? why didn't it fly into obi wans hands instantly instead of wriggling for a few seconds? my brother (the starwars fan/nerd says the lightsaber do supposedly weigh a bit, they aren't light he said, but they aren't heavy.

the elites are able to adapt to their surroundings like any good soldier/warrior should be able to, jedi would obviously need that, but elites are completely born and ready warriors, in one of the books thel 'vadamm(ee) (the arbiter, as he is better known) related the prophets to the mice he used to hunt and kill in his childhood, its kind of curious because he mentioned blood on his claws, yet i don't think i have seen the claws of an elite, it would be fairly useful.

the elite's have survived wars that almost decimated their entire species, i know the jedi have too, but i think it's safe to say the elites have been in more wars due their classification as a warrior race and a war faring species.

the sangheili(elites) and the san'shyuum (the prophets from the halo games) were once at war with each other, they only decided to work together because the elites had numbers, strength, superior military tactics and ancient forerunner relics. the san'shyuum however, had a forerunner dreadnought, which they used quite cleverly, the elites couldn't/wouldn't attack it because it was relic of their gods the forerunners, but they still killed enough san'shyuum to make them panic..

(a few hundred san'shyuum had left their home planet behind to search for relics/life/gods the few hundred that stole a forerunner dreadnought (which later becomes the center of high charity, their artificial planet/ship, kinda like the deathstar) had escaped the planet never to return, they had stolen the holiest and most mystical relic belonging to their race. they were lucky, the planet was destroyed by a rogue asteroid.)

Nice story huh? its part of the History given in the books.

the elites helped to create an entire religion and Military group out of seveeral species, the humans only won because of the spartans, even then it was close.


now, here is a video it contains spoilers for halo wars so if you plan on playing it don't watch this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36nD_O5ViCA

now the elites are at an disadvantage, the spartans have a reaction time 3 times that of a normal human and Sgt.forge cheated to get his kill.

the weapon is the main thing we are arguing about anyway, the energy sword is, as i have said before, like the lightsaber, they both cut through things extremely fast, they can kill you, and they look awesome.

[Marksinator]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145389/2990447-3693242213-gfs_4.jpg
high charity (artificial planet thing)
and here is the forerunner dreadnought
http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/d/d7/Forerunner.jpg

[🗲LightningEffect🗲]

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No More Heroes' Beam Katana. All the awesomeness of a lightsaber, a much cooler looking hilt and blades, and makes the blood flow like a fountain.

Feels like a Red Alert 3 Empire of the rising sun reference :P

[Rubik748]

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I do believe it is properly described as "<near> weightlessness", for basically it is only the hilt that has the weight of the sword. In fact, even the wikia states; "Due to the weightlessness <of plasma>". The plasma is nearly weightless (probably weightless) and is held in a force containment field. So since it is held in place and protecting the user form its heat/effects, then it would be very easy to swing just a handle for the Jedi/Sith.

Who told you it was not weighted?

No. Thats not what my brother pointed out. What he meant was, if you look and see how real swords in the real world work, how you can swing them as well as looking at old films with sword fights, you can see that its not possible to do (all) the techniques with a lightsaber. Such as that spinning move Jedi do.