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20+ year old games that still hold up today.
I'd like to know a few games that someone could still enjoy today even if it is their first time playing.

Halo and Half-Life are two that come to mind straight away.
Shadowrun (1993) on the SNES is pretty good too.
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Diablo II, NeedForSpeed Porsche Unleashed, Indiana Jones and The Emperor's Tomb, Mafia, Max Payne 2, Hexen II.
Vanilla Diablo 2 definitely looks dated, but Diablo 2 Resurrected is amazing (it's a straight remaster). It looks and plays the way we all remember D2 playing. Highly recommended.
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love wild arms 1, 2, and 3. i recently did a replay of wild arms 3 for the first time since release and was surprised by how much i liked it. the 4 party members have good banter with one another due to having much different personalities, and the antagonists are cruel and loathsome so they are fun to hate (which to me is being an important part of rpgs, wanting to see antagonists meet justice).

the intro is LONG though, really really long. several hours long. it is doing a good job of introducing each party member but...i can see why this would be a turnoff for many.

Wild Arms did a really good job with character interactions and the antagonists. The only one I've played is 2, so I can't comment on the others.

Long intros, huh? Longest one I've played through has got to be Assassin's Creed Valhalla. Maybe close to 10 hours before you finish the prologue.

yeah the intro has all the 4 party members meeting, and then you must play through 4 mandatory "how did they get here" flashbacks, each one being an hour, maybe an hour and a half. and after that...well, then the actual game starts lol. but id say its worth it, really fantastic game.

thatd be a good thread idea actually...games with very long intros/tutorials before you are actually getting to play the "meat" of the game, so to speak.

persona 3, 4, and 5 would definitely all being on that list
Отредактировано salamander; 21 янв в 15:50
My personal favorite: Max Payne 1 and 2. GTA 3. NFS Most Wanted (2005) and Carbon. Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Doom 3. Doom 1 and 2 of course. STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl. Halo, GTA VC and SA of course. Bioshock. Half Life 2. Portal 1 and 2. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and Underground series etc.
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yeah the intro has all the 4 party members meeting, and then you must play through 4 mandatory "how did they get here" flashbacks, each one being an hour, maybe an hour and a half. and after that...well, then the actual game starts lol. but id say its worth it, really fantastic game.

thatd be a good thread idea actually...games with very long intros/tutorials before you are actually getting to play the "meat" of the game, so to speak.

persona 3, 4, and 5 would definitely all being on that list

What? No Persona 2: Eternal Punishment?

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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yeah the intro has all the 4 party members meeting, and then you must play through 4 mandatory "how did they get here" flashbacks, each one being an hour, maybe an hour and a half. and after that...well, then the actual game starts lol. but id say its worth it, really fantastic game.

thatd be a good thread idea actually...games with very long intros/tutorials before you are actually getting to play the "meat" of the game, so to speak.

persona 3, 4, and 5 would definitely all being on that list

What? No Persona 2: Eternal Punishment?

Booooooooooooooooooooooooo.

i love persona 2 duology, my favourite of the persona series actually. but intros of innocent sin and eternal punishment, really not so bad. they get you into the "meat" rather quickly.

but intros of 3, 4, and 5? hoooooooours long. especially 5, which i feel is egregious in that department.
Отредактировано salamander; 21 янв в 17:33
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_(video_game)

I have the remake on the Wii. It's really good.

*interesting that IGN gave it a 5.4 because I would give it at least an 8. But I love the horror theme, the roguelike dungeon delving, and the many different endings you can unlock that reveal what a twisted mess the world has become. They say the story lacks direction, but the whole point is to feel lost and confused in this strange world and force you to keep fighting for bits and pieces of answers.
Отредактировано Kamiyama; 21 янв в 16:28
Commander Keen. 4-6 still hold up just fine. 1-3 is borderline.

The original got remade with the 4-5 engine, and 2 was being worked on, last I checked.
https://keenwiki.shikadi.net/wiki/Marooned_on_Mars_-_Galaxy_mod

https://pckf.com/viewtopic.php?t=4024

Between John Carmak's smooth tile refresh technology, and the tongue in cheek humor, including hitchhiker guide to the galaxy references, the series was very influential, and games as recent as Subnautica were making references to it.
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Officer_Keen

Also, Commander Keen was B.J. Blazkowicz's grandson, and Doomguy's father or grandfather. Bethesda proposed a mobile reboot and quickly cancelled it after poor reception to the trailer, but I like the idea that Billy Blaze had a twin son and daughter of his own. The way I see it, his son became Doomguy, and his daughter became the Marine training sergeant Crash from Quake 3, and Quake Ranger was her son, making Ranger Doomguy's nephew.
Отредактировано Electric Cupcake; 21 янв в 17:02
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_(video_game)

I have the remake on the Wii. It's really good.

I wanted to get my hands on this one.
Earth 2150 and Titan Quest get my pick.
Legend of Dragoon is still a good turn based RPG.

Syphon Filter 2 has aged quite heavily, but it's still a good third person shooter. Unfortunately, the manual aiming is horribly outdated.

I can't give any praise to the PS1 Tomb Raider games. Tank controls suck, and have always sucked.
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I can't give any praise to the PS1 Tomb Raider games. Tank controls suck, and have always sucked.

Except they work, which is more than the so-called modern controls can claim.

The first reboot (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) had clunky controls, but were at least playable.
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