What is toxic masculinity?

[Venom]

Is that just something woke people or feminists came up with?

[abcd]

no it's actually a term men came up with, to describe the alienating and isolating nature of male society.

feminists laughed it off for a long time, as the 'patriarchial dominance' line was so thoroughly ingrained in the rhetoric. it was simply not possible for men to experience negative feeling outcomes, and if they did that was a good. I'm sure you won't find any toxic masculines arguing otherwise.

the issue became more of a focal point in third wave feminism, as many women felt alienated by second wave's adoption of toxic masculine behaviorisms, such as their response to the idea of toxic masculinity.

still, historically it was developed by men who had become invovled in near-feminist circles before those circles threw out all the 'non-women,' just like black activists threw out all the non-blacks, and poors and rich people dedicated to economic reform also tend to self-segregate.

[Venom]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von abcd:

no it's actually a term men came up with, to describe the alienating and isolating nature of male society.

feminists laughed it off for a long time, as the 'patriarchial dominance' line was so thoroughly ingrained in the rhetoric. it was simply not possible for men to experience negative feeling outcomes, and if they did that was a good. I'm sure you won't find any toxic masculines arguing otherwise.

the issue became more of a focal point in third wave feminism, as many women felt alienated by second wave's adoption of toxic masculine behaviorisms, such as their response to the idea of toxic masculinity.

still, historically it was developed by men who had become invovled in near-feminist circles before those circles threw out all the 'non-women,' just like black activists threw out all the non-blacks, and poors and rich people dedicated to economic reform also tend to self-segregate.

From what I've gathered, it's just men who don't want to be in touch with their emotions.

[abcd]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Venom:

From what I've gathered, it's just men who don't want to be in touch with their emotions.

toxic masculinity teaches people to codify emotions and feelings as threats. women tend to practice renegotiating the issue, claiming their emotions as strengths or whatnot, and have a variety of social pathways towards encouraging these responses.

men are expected to simply cut their emotions off, like dolls. otherwise they will be attacked, for one reason or another, until they stop displaying any form of emotion.

[craigsters]

https://youtu.be/ls56JQCXfP4?si=N-ckNXfwgYdlbIbR

[trousers]

It's when you bully another man for crying at a movie, and then slam a door in anger because your favourite sports team lost.

[Fajita Jim]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von abcd:

men are expected to simply cut their emotions off, like dolls. otherwise they will be attacked, for one reason or another, until they stop displaying any form of emotion.

Most of the ancient heroes cried their eyes out as some point, Achilles probably being the best known for it.

[Midnight Sky ✨🌙✨]

1. Seeing emotions as weakness. Having a support system is important for your mental well being. If you just happen to not be much of an emotional person then that is something else and not what I'm referring to.
   
   
2. Having an aversion to femininity such as if you see it as beneath you. This can be like if you have a girlfriend but never show any interest in whatever she likes if it's too feminine. It can also be you acting visibly shamed if you need to interact with feminine things (imagine being asked to hold a purse but you look disgusted while doing so and hold it like it's a leaking trash bag).
   
   
3. Shaming other men for not being masculine enough. This reinforces all the other toxic masculinity traits by forcing others to adhere to your standards of it. It's especially bad when done to men who just don't want to be masculine in the first place.

In general, it's trying to be a man while being insecure about your manliness and trying to prove you are to others (and yourself). This can lead to things like sexism/homophobia/transphobia due to a lack respect for things that aren't masculine or engaging with violence because you need to show the world how tough you think you are.

Obviously, this is neither a one size fits all explanation, nor is it an exhaustive one. It's just what came to mind.

[Midnight Sky ✨🌙✨]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BlackBloodRum:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Midnight Carnival Snack:

1. (imagine being asked to hold a purse but you look disgusted while doing so and hold it like it's a leaking trash bag).

I was almost clear till you said this. Over xmas I had to stand in the female underwear section of a store holding tampons, hosiery, and other related female items and her bag.

Suffice to say my face was not happy. :steamlaughcry:

Though, I hold no shame in admitting I am a toxic male and if people don't like it, that's their problem not mine. :steamlaughcry:

🫂

There's more to it than that but I'm not spending hours writing out every edge case I can think to account for.

If ya get it, ya get it, y'know?

[King of Games]

yes

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von BlackBloodRum:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Midnight Carnival Snack:

1. (imagine being asked to hold a purse but you look disgusted while doing so and hold it like it's a leaking trash bag).

I was almost clear till you said this. Over xmas I had to stand in the female underwear section of a store holding tampons, hosiery, and other related female items and her bag.

Suffice to say my face was not happy. :steamlaughcry:

Though, I hold no shame in admitting I am a toxic male and if people don't like it, that's their problem not mine. :steamlaughcry:

When my wife sends me to the store for that item they don't even want to buy I'm cool with it. I'll go to the men's section grab a shirt off the rack go to the female hygiene section use the shirt to grab them and wrap it up in the shirt go to self checkout scan them while holding them with the shirt drop them in the bag then sit the shirt on the candy rack. Then put them in 5 or 6 plastic bags so no one sees what's in the bag.

[Froggo Cookies]

its when someone uses their masculinity in a toxic way. Like if they clown on another guy for being less masculine etc.

[Plaid]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Froggo Cookies:

its when someone uses their masculinity in a toxic way. Like if they clown on another guy for being less masculine etc.

pretty much yeah. And you can see some people with too much testosterone just want to kill other people

[WarHeRo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Plaid:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Froggo Cookies:

its when someone uses their masculinity in a toxic way. Like if they clown on another guy for being less masculine etc.

pretty much yeah. And you can see some people with too much testosterone just want to kill other people

no? what r u talking bout?

[Netaris]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Midnight Carnival Snack:

1. Seeing emotions as weakness. Having a support system is important for your mental well being. If you just happen to not be much of an emotional person then that is something else and not what I'm referring to.
   
   
2. Having an aversion to femininity such as if you see it as beneath you. This can be like if you have a girlfriend but never show any interest in whatever she likes if it's too feminine. It can also be you acting visibly shamed if you need to interact with feminine things (imagine being asked to hold a purse but you look disgusted while doing so and hold it like it's a leaking trash bag).
   
   
3. Shaming other men for not being masculine enough. This reinforces all the other toxic masculinity traits by forcing others to adhere to your standards of it. It's especially bad when done to men who just don't want to be masculine in the first place.

In general, it's trying to be a man while being insecure about your manliness and trying to prove you are to others (and yourself). This can lead to things like sexism/homophobia/transphobia due to a lack respect for things that aren't masculine or engaging with violence because you need to show the world how tough you think you are.

Obviously, this is neither a one size fits all explanation, nor is it an exhaustive one. It's just what came to mind.

1- It's not true, emotions are a strengh, if you know how to deal with those and use those to your advantage. Anger is especially usefull as a motivator and to ensure your combat readyness, fear is usefull to avoid danger, sadness is usefull to think about what you did wrong and improve, etc. Thinking those are a weakness don't make you more of a man, it just make you an idiot imo.

2- Men and women are partners in life, both have their strenghs and weaknesses and have to learn how make the best possible team out of it. The very concept of superior and inferior beings based on sex is also stupid imo.

3- Well, "mind your own business" I guess.

From my point of view you just describe one kind of idiots and arguing with idiots is an entertaining thing to do, but also a huge waste of time.

[WarHeRo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Netaris:

Anger is especially usefull as a motivator and to ensure your combat readyness.

please stop bro, its embarrassing. the first rule in all self defense sports is to be calm