Would USA be able to save Europe from fascism again?

[mutexin]

People in Europe are afraid to speak up.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1891371379817054511
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1891302425190863347

[Drakken]

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Horizontal spectrum works until the left tries desperately to attribute Hitler to the right, where he doesn't actually fit. "He was so right, he was left." No, he wasn't. He was a socialist, and clearly defined as such.

Hitler was a fascist and a nazi, not a socialist. He hunted down socialists and put them into jail.

he was a national socialist. ;)

[Ulfrinn]

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I think the real question is, does the US even want to save Europe anymore?

Yeah of course the US wants to. Europe and America are just brothers and sisters. We have the same ancestors. We share many cultural similarities. And of course we share the same values.

Its just many european elites lost their way. And the media is full of communist propaganda paid by the old administration. The US is responsible for the state of the free world and the new administration knows this. So they wont abandon europe.

They are just nudging europe back to freedom.

Pain is the prerequisite for change.

If everything is going well you wont change anything. But if you feel pain you start thinking what you should change.

The new administration just induces some pain so the european countries who are in need of change will change.

You forget the part where America's ancestors left Europe, because they were sick of Europe's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and wanted nothing to do with them anymore. Sorry dude, we're not the same. And for the most part, Europeans and Americans do not share the same values. Europe and the US couldn't be any further apart on things like free speech, the right to self defense, legal rights. We don't even use the same units of measurement.

[AdahnGorion]

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If we go by kindergarten style horizontal spectrum only (this seriously is how we teach kids about politics in our country, otherwise you would use a spectrum that is atleast horizontal and vertical... (I prefer even deeper ones)

But lets say we do use the simplistic ones.. then Bernie Sanders would be the far far far conservative right... even what we consider conservatives here, would reject him due to his beliefs.

Horizontal spectrum works until the left tries desperately to attribute Hitler to the right, where he doesn't actually fit. "He was so right, he was left." No, he wasn't. He was a socialist, and clearly defined as such.

Obviously the horizontal spectrum is way to simplistic... How far is the two big parties in the US and their candidates? well.. they are practically glued up between eachother with only minor differences.
Hence why I think the terms "leftie" and "right wing" is kindergarden talk.

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Yeah of course the US wants to. Europe and America are just brothers and sisters. We have the same ancestors. We share many cultural similarities. And of course we share the same values.

Its just many european elites lost their way. And the media is full of communist propaganda paid by the old administration. The US is responsible for the state of the free world and the new administration knows this. So they wont abandon europe.

They are just nudging europe back to freedom.

Pain is the prerequisite for change.

If everything is going well you wont change anything. But if you feel pain you start thinking what you should change.

The new administration just induces some pain so the european countries who are in need of change will change.

You forget the part where America's ancestors left Europe, because they were sick of Europe's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and wanted nothing to do with them anymore. Sorry dude, we're not the same. And for the most part, Europeans and Americans do not share the same values. Europe and the US couldn't be any further apart on things like free speech, the right to self defense, legal rights. We don't even use the same units of measurement.

You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
They moved for buisiness reason, unexploited ressources, in other word for money.

[smokerob79]

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Free speech caused the Holocaust??? Do you realise how dumb your statement is?

I know, I'm pretending to be a lefty defending the news media.

i really find it ironic that a ant has more venom then you.....


as for the rest of it the US only got in to WW2 over the money that could be made.....

[smokerob79]

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If we go by kindergarten style horizontal spectrum only (this seriously is how we teach kids about politics in our country, otherwise you would use a spectrum that is atleast horizontal and vertical... (I prefer even deeper ones)

But lets say we do use the simplistic ones.. then Bernie Sanders would be the far far far conservative right... even what we consider conservatives here, would reject him due to his beliefs.

Horizontal spectrum works until the left tries desperately to attribute Hitler to the right, where he doesn't actually fit. "He was so right, he was left." No, he wasn't. He was a socialist, and clearly defined as such.

trying to classify dictators that were already defined is your problem......but then again you were educated by simpleton republicans.....

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

America saving Europe from itself again? Classic...

[Oneeyed]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulfrinn:

You forget the part where America's ancestors left Europe, because they were sick of Europe's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and wanted nothing to do with them anymore. Sorry dude, we're not the same. And for the most part, Europeans and Americans do not share the same values. Europe and the US couldn't be any further apart on things like free speech, the right to self defense, legal rights. We don't even use the same units of measurement.

Well the president and vice president thinks differently.

Most europeans would love have free speech like in the US but their governments prevent it. I dont know why you would state they 'couldnt be any further apart'? You think China and Russia are nearer? You ignore all the family ties between america and europe? Why do you think there are so many economic and cultural ties between the US and europe? America and Europe have a shared history, shared culture, shared family, shared democratic values.

And of course the US will never allow europe to fall to communism.

[Ulfrinn]

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Horizontal spectrum works until the left tries desperately to attribute Hitler to the right, where he doesn't actually fit. "He was so right, he was left." No, he wasn't. He was a socialist, and clearly defined as such.

Obviously the horizontal spectrum is way to simplistic... How far is the two big parties in the US and their candidates? well.. they are practically glued up between eachother with only minor differences.
Hence why I think the terms "leftie" and "right wing" is kindergarden talk.

It's only way too simplistic because you can't put Hitler where he's most convenient to you. Trump is fairly central if you compare the two parties to where they were a quarter century ago. The other party went far, far out there. In fact, Trump was in that party when it was resting where he's at now. As was Musk, RFK, etc.

IMO, Trump is a bit too soft on a lot of things even for my liking. But better than the alternative.

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Obviously the horizontal spectrum is way to simplistic... How far is the two big parties in the US and their candidates? well.. they are practically glued up between eachother with only minor differences.
Hence why I think the terms "leftie" and "right wing" is kindergarden talk.

It's only way too simplistic because you can't put Hitler where he's most convenient to you. Trump is fairly central if you compare the two parties to where they were a quarter century ago. The other party went far, far out there. In fact, Trump was in that party when it was resting where he's at now. As was Musk, RFK, etc.

IMO, Trump is a bit too soft on a lot of things even for my liking. But better than the alternative.

Right, all sane people left the dem party one by one. More sickos joined it, so now it's a freak show.

[L1qu1dator]

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Would USA be able to save Europe from fascism ?

...sooo in other words, would USA be able to "save Europe" from USA...

[AdahnGorion]

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Most of Europe would consider Bernie Sanders a national conservative in their political spectrum.

Yet he seems pretty ok compared to other politicians.

Maybe American politicians.. but not from a European perspective.

[Voroff]

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Ho ? That so ? What you're gonna do, invade us ? Go kick rocks. You do not even know what communism is, except for your indoctrination in school.

All communist say this and ignore how communism turned out in reality. All communist countries suck. They killed millions of people, imprisoned people and opressed them for centuries.

Are you somehow accusing me of being a communist just after i simply told you that you are unable to understand what communism is ? =D THANK YOU TO PROVING MY POINT ABOUT INDOCTRINATION, TWICE !
1) you accuse me of being a communist, after i stated that Vance due to indoctrination, see communists in every shadow - and so ddo you
2) In your eyes, and you just are the perfect example : communism = death of people by troves.
I could not dream of a better example of indoctrination.

No country in the world is listening to the EU anymore. This is because the EU is powerless. And the US, Russia, China and the global south are sick of the constant DEI indoctrination used by EU to slander every county outside.

Hu ? The euros, DEI ? As far as i know t'was the US that were filled with that, with "the maths are racist" and that kind of things. Thanks for projecting, i guess. But no, we do not have that here; and about EU slandering every other country : false too, but moreover a projection from your own USA POV, too. You just showed me that you do not know squat about the EU and that you can only think inside the borders of your own kind of propaganda. Too much saluting the flag and spouting that the US is number one.

Please, stop projecting and get to learn things about the real world.

This is what the US provides:

at eye-watering gouging prices, right after being the sole responsable of the situation. the part where you talk about "EU has to pay for this" is projection too, i guess,

Come back to the shared values of free speech.

Ha, yeah, remind me how the whistleblowers are treated in the US ? PS : free speech is not telling a politician that he is a piece of sh!t (but WE here can do that) or a cop that he is a moron. That's being an aggravating moron.

Work with the US. Together the world could become a better place. No one in the US wants you to lose your culture. Instead the US wants you to foster your culture.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOOOOOOOOL this guy says that, after 80+ years of the US bullying the whole world for it's own profit, pushing it's own culture everywhere at the detriment of the local ones. About the part where YOU say i'm talking about 50 years ago : nothing has changed, as the embargo on Cuba. At age 15 i knew the US were a fascist police state, and that has not changed.

And by free its meant you cannot just oppress part of your population and shut them out of political debates.

Really ? REALLY ? ... where in europe did you see that ? Please, try to make a list of every occurences in the last 50 years of Europe censoring its population. It will be a short list (the UK never was a part of Europe, do not even try). On the other hand, if i was to make a list for your country i'll still be typping tommorow night, so i won't even bother.




In short, every time you use the term "EU", you should be using "USA". Your whole post is projecting the sins of your country on old Europe. Sigh. Whitewashing your own side while smearing the other : fact that you did that all along your post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

[Voroff]

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I think the real question is, does the US even want to save Europe anymore?

"One of the most terrifying, if not the most terriffying sight, is an US official running towards you shouting "WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU !!" "


Not wanting to be "saved" (AKA interventionnism) by your train wreck of a pseudo-democracy to be turned into banana republics at your service, or resorts for rich US citizens (remember why Castro and the Che won Cuba ?), or satrapies.

Go away with your "good intentions", we already are seeing the LNG prices you're selling, after having seen your "help to democracy" in Ukraine, Uganda, Venezuela, Vietnam, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Balkans, Panama, Costa Rica, (.... omg, am i really gonna quote all the countries the US "intervene" be it in the light or in the shadows ... ? Nope) or any of the 180+ other countries in the big blue world.



Never gonna forget AMGOT, never gonna forget nor forgive the spilled french wine and the liberty fries because France didnt want to participate in you "helping" of a country.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

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PS : free speech is not telling a politician that he is a piece of sh!t (but WE here can do that) or a cop that he is a moron. That's being an aggravating moron.

Swing and a miss!