ChickenTacos 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.12
Mightier empires than America have fallen.
Oh, wait, they didn't have the atomic bomb.
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there is more than 1 way to falll..

rome fell not because of outside force..

it fell due :

1 moral erosian.. the fail and cultural values that made it great were abandoned...
2 a disrepect for life... rising child murder, dropping birthrates.. within 100 years of dropping below replacement rate rome was gone
3 failure to assymliate immigrants.. rome always was welcoming to immigrants/extend it's citycenship to ever more people.. but rome was forcing ITS culture on others before doing so.. once it stopped doing so and allowed strangers to live within it's borders.. without assimilating them to their own culture.. things fell apart
4 inflation/economic failure... debasement of the currency.. and no longer an influx of new gold and silver.. while a lot of it flowed out to purchase luxery goods from the east
5 corporatism.. a few wealthy families caring more both makling short term money than the long term stabbility or succes of the empire.. assasinating one emperor after the other.. not wanting to spend to defend its borders.. and getting rid of emperors who wanted to fix these things. this eroded the effectiveness the state could be run..
6 welfare state.. the few roman plebeans left were placent.. one one end they were exploited by the corporate wealthy nobilea.. left without a chance to earn their own property as in the past by serving the empire 20 years.. on the other they were given free bread dayly.. so they no longer felt as big an urge due poverty to join the army..

all these factors basicly ment the rinstitution that make up a state : religion, the culture, the state, the economy and the army.. all were weakened.. thus all it took was little to tear it all down..

right until 20 year before i'ts end.. there were still good noble romans trying to save it.. there were just to many barbarian immigrants, welfare sucking liberals, and backstabbing "investeors" for them to ever stand a chance..
many times a man stood up that could save rome.. many time those detremental groups stuck such a man down..

if america falls it will be by the same factors..
however.. it is more likely that america is not at it's end yet.. it is merely in the transistion between republic and empire... likely it will restore it's christian roots.. as a latin empire... in the coming century..

for europe... collapse seems far more likely.. basicly like the greeks of old..

but know that no thing but God last forever.. even the "new rome" of the anticrist will fall..
only the kingdom of Christ will be the one that stands forever.. all things on this earth.. will come to pass..
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The American Empire is at 250 years, most empires last about 250.

Soon it will fall under its own hubris.
ZZZZZ 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.16 
what empire was mightier than america tho?
WarHeRo 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.16 
Oh, wait! They indeed possessed an equivalent for their era.
Wake up! Nuclear weapons shall become obsolete at some point.
ChickenTacos 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.18 
Opprinnelig skrevet av ZZZZZ:
what empire was mightier than america tho?
That's easy. There are many, but, I will name one of the most obvious: Rome.

No, they didn't need atomic weapons.
Electric Cupcake 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.18 
We're not at the feet of clay just yet.
ChickenTacos 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.20 
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We're not at the feet of clay just yet.
That was in the Old Testament, sir. Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
Talby 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.20 
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Opprinnelig skrevet av ZZZZZ:
what empire was mightier than america tho?
That's easy. There are many, but, I will name one of the most obvious: Rome.

No, they didn't need atomic weapons.
Interesting, in the same respect we just witnessed the rise and fall of the roman empire in three short years, during potus#46 :stop:
ChickenTacos 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.24 
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you cant fire a nuke without the fallout killing everyone.

i did the math, it's suicide and genocide.
That's a lot of math.

There are tools for such an attempt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Md1jeMNo_Q
Xautos 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.27 
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Opprinnelig skrevet av ZZZZZ:
what empire was mightier than america tho?
  1. Hunic empire
  2. Ottoman empire
  3. Rome
there are plenty

Persian Empires
Chinese Empires
British Empires
Russian Empires
French Empires

Plenty of them out there bigger and stronger than America during its day if you take into consideration technologies of their times compared to others. some lasted a few dozen decades, others lasted hundreds of years, but none of them have outran the need to change when something is rotten from the inside and the empire fractures and rebuilds with a new name and government type.

The USA will at some point come to its conclusion as you know it and it won't be long before the entire nation wants the UK to rule it again under King Charles or William one day, States of the United Kingdom. or they could go despotism or split into the new confederacy and union again, who knows. Eventually a new unified nation will form out of the ashes of the old one.
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  1. Hunic empire
  2. Ottoman empire
  3. Rome
there are plenty

Persian Empires
Chinese Empires
British Empires
Russian Empires
French Empires

Plenty of them out there bigger and stronger than America during its day if you take into consideration technologies of their times compared to others. some lasted a few dozen decades, others lasted hundreds of years, but none of them have outran the need to change when something is rotten from the inside and the empire fractures and rebuilds with a new name and government type.

The USA will at some point come to its conclusion as you know it and it won't be long before the entire nation wants the UK to rule it again under King Charles or William one day, States of the United Kingdom. or they could go despotism or split into the new confederacy and union again, who knows. Eventually a new unified nation will form out of the ashes of the old one.
USA will become a rump state as living standards fall and the wealthy flee to other countries, leaving only those who can’t get out.
Talby 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.30 
Opprinnelig skrevet av ChickenTacos:
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you cant fire a nuke without the fallout killing everyone.

i did the math, it's suicide and genocide.
That's a lot of math.

There are tools for such an attempt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Md1jeMNo_Q
...back in the old days, we had this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4c5q8UjUz4
Axe 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.30 
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The American Empire is at 250 years, most empires last about 250.

Soon it will fall under its own hubris.

I agree and it's already started from within but nobody seem to be looking and caring :steamfacepalm:
Axe 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.34 
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Persian Empires
Chinese Empires
British Empires
Russian Empires
French Empires

The British Empire didn't fall. We just gave it back to everyone :steamhappy:
Sist redigert av Axe; 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.36
ZZZZZ 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.40 
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what empire was mightier than america tho?
That's easy. There are many, but, I will name one of the most obvious: Rome.

No, they didn't need atomic weapons.
peak roman empire was less people and less space than the current US (yes USA is bigger than all roman territories combined).. they had worse economy, lower technology, way way lower international influene.. dunno how u could consider them more powerful
Swarmfly 15. jan. 2024 kl. 8.40 
And they didn't have Waffle House, either.
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