Christ is not king

[Doctor Opta]

Christians are hatefully against idolatry but they worship a random specific Jewish guy instead of God, and then use some weird mental gymnastics to claim this specific guy is the "son" of God or God himself or whatever, I doubt they even understand it themselves.

Why the insistence on worshipping a random dude instead of the actual creator?? This isn't monotheism, this is confusion on a mass scale :S

[Enigmatic]

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Christians are hatefully against idolatry but they worship a random specific Jewish guy instead of God,

Jesus is not an Idol. The cross is however.

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ofc hes not king, he has no kingdom and no person with proper power crowned him

You are right, satan does not have proper power. That's why Jesus was not tempted by him.

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well whatever; try engaging them in a conversation about whether or not the Bible is pro-deity or anti-deity.

Pretty sure the book that tells you to worship the one true God, or die is pro-deity.

It makes a pretty strong case for this being a moral failing of God. People just don't take that interpretation because Catholic doctrine says God is perfect and there's no use in even questioning his perfection.

Which makes sense in the context of an evil all-knowing God, but doesn't exactly benefit the flock beyond keeping them away from the rope so they don't hang themselves.

Like they aren't arguing against hanging yourself, or against the availability of ropes in general, they're just telling you that you'll "go to hell" if you try to escape God's wrath by killing yourself. Which sounds fantastical, right?

[neopolaris]

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Christians are hatefully against idolatry but they worship a random specific Jewish guy instead of God,

Jesus is not an Idol. The cross is however.

I agree with this. I'll never understand why anyone would display a Roman instrument of torture in their homes or around their neck.

Just shows that not every Christian has it right, but every non-believer is still wrong.

[Axe]

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Christ is not king real

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Jesus is not an Idol. The cross is however.

I agree with this. I'll never understand why anyone would display a Roman instrument of torture in their homes or around their neck.

Just shows that not every Christian has it right, but every non-believer is still wrong.

Well the Bible is pretty explicit about the number of crimes done in God's name far exceeding the crimes he and his shadowself have committed themselves. They're at best just figureheads for that order, realistically. Nobody's ever tried to really challenge it, save a few martyrs like Jobe or Christ or some others who got absolutely blasted for it.

Take Solomon for example, again.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

well apparently something so amazing happened 2000 years ago that people still talk about it, an empire wasconquered by it and converted. prettty amazing testament to jesus being that important

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well apparently something so amazing happened 2000 years ago that people still talk about it, an empire wasconquered by it and converted. prettty amazing testament to jesus being that important

he did aristocrat jokes in whiteface that explained aristocratic society to the common person, and also mocked the aristocracy.

many attribute the inevitable coup of the plebians which resulted in Caesar's rule to the root social forces and political wills enabled by his comedy. and in turn the divisions among the aristocracy itself which it sowed. and which were pre-existing conditions he merely exploited and profited off of, much like ancient roman health insurance did.

think on that one :skibi:

[Enigmatic]

Well pagan teachings from very early on were integrated into Christianity by the roman empire.
Not only that but many elites still worshiped apollo and their pagan gods in secret.

[neopolaris]

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well apparently something so amazing happened 2000 years ago that people still talk about it, an empire wasconquered by it and converted. prettty amazing testament to jesus being that important

he did aristocrat jokes in whiteface that explained aristocratic society to the common person, and also mocked the aristocracy.

many attribute the inevitable coup of the plebians which resulted in Caesar's rule to the root social forces and political wills enabled by his comedy. and in turn the divisions among the aristocracy itself which it sowed. and which were pre-existing conditions he merely exploited and profited off of, much like ancient roman health insurance did.

think on that one :skibi:

That's one of the dumbest things I ever read.

[ZZZZZ]

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well apparently something so amazing happened 2000 years ago that people still talk about it, an empire wasconquered by it and converted. prettty amazing testament to jesus being that important

thats cause its extremely flexible.. u can form and shape the religion however u want since its 1 god who does everything, good and bad.. which is exactly what happened- we have tons of different churches who worship the "same" or "similar" god all by their own rules

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

i believe there is only on3 religion that cannot compromise on fundamental tenents because the 2ay is very narrow and straight. acc3pt or refuse jesus gift.

other religions compromise but the amazing thing about christianity is it cannot compromise. that is a strength i feel and a mark in favor of it being a true way.

not to say evil people try to twist it like popes using it to start wars, or wacko cultists twisting bible, or evil greedy televangelists using it to get rich, but the narrow true christianity is fundamentally sound

[Xero_Daxter]

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OP trying hard. It's ok, God still loves you even if you're an angry teenager.

God still loves you even tho he sent 2 bears to maul 42 kids.

Source (4 Kings 2:23-24)

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he did aristocrat jokes in whiteface that explained aristocratic society to the common person, and also mocked the aristocracy.

many attribute the inevitable coup of the plebians which resulted in Caesar's rule to the root social forces and political wills enabled by his comedy. and in turn the divisions among the aristocracy itself which it sowed. and which were pre-existing conditions he merely exploited and profited off of, much like ancient roman health insurance did.

think on that one :skibi:

That's one of the dumbest things I ever read.

It can be a wonderful world if you let it.

[Doctor Opta]

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OP trying hard. It's ok, God still loves you even if you're an angry teenager.

Tf you mean? I'm the one worshipping God, not worshipping a man like your cult does hehe

[Doctor Opta]

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there were whole wars fought over.. whether the natures of Christ (him being God.. as by his own testemony.. but also Him clearly not the Father we must pray top also).. are like oil and water.. or as wine and water.. aka wheither they are so blended one cannot see a difference.. or whether they are clearly seperated..

1 He IS the son of God.
2 He is God.
3 He is not the Father.,,,

Christ at His departure states : and when you pray don't pray to me, but pray to the Father, in My Name.
also He promises to leave us HIS Spirit.. The Holy spirit.. the same spirit that decended as a dove when Christ was Baptised.

3 different persons.. on 3 different thrones..
not 3 different shapes of the same person as some make it to be..
Yet just as "the Monarchy" can be a king, queen and co-ruler.. who rule equally.. so does it for God"
(you cannot play at your own feet.. you cannot be divided from your Father after taking on the sins of all man.. if you ARE the same person)..
Yet.. in will so equal all share the same desires.. same thoughts same "representation"
one would get the exact same answer from God, Christ and The Holy Spirit.

As a Christian.. I do think it is wrong so many Churches sing praise songs to Christ and pray to Christ..
when Christ on his departure stated do not do that.. pray to the Father.. in My name..

but our position is : bride of Christ, sons of the Father we would be nowhere without Christ..

so if You must be punctual.. God is spirit.. and the same "spirit" was in Christ.. the Holy spirit and in the father...
yet.. they also are not the same..

some old variants of christianity.. (arianists) said Christ was not God decending.. but was a new adam.. a second creation of man.. who was not born into divine status.. but raised into it.. after completing his sacrifice..

it does not matter that much.. what matters is.. man.. DID sin against God.. man WAS tossed out of paradise.. and forgiveness bought by Christ IS the only way back.

theologic gymnastics can confuse from the very basic fact you are by being decendant of adam born of sin.. and by nature not capable to do ANY good.. as adam already by him sinning gave away humans ability to do so.
if left to yourself we all would be rapists, murderers, thieves and so on.. worse than the worst in history... any good we do is not us doing it.. but God preventing us from acting as we truelly are.. as an act of mercy... to not have this world be as dark as it otherwise would be..
this is also why you cannot earn your way back.. YOU are unable to do any good.. and you don't earn your way back wit doing good anyway.. 1 mistaake ever 1 sin ever.. is enough to forever disqualify you. doing good aint "earning points' it is the law.. you aint getting rewarded for following the law.. you only get punished for breaking it.
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Christs forgiveness is the only way that can get you in... as you are unable to do any good.. but even if you did.. you would still be condemed for the one time you did break the law in your life..
but whats more.. christ alters your heart.. basicly he returnes you ability to choose.. you are not saved "from hell" you are saved "from sin"
where without Christ you would be uble to choose anything but evil.. with Christ your choose is restored.. and you must use it to choose to obey.
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for as Christ also said.. if your holiness is not greater than those pharesees
-> so if your ACTS don't show you obey Gods laws far better than those who make it their life to obey them but without Christ in their heart.
-> also "not those who say Lord Lord will enter heaven, but those who do The Will of The Father / My Will (depending on verse one or the other is used)

God want obediance.. not sacrifice.. not your words of praise and money.. but your heart and life.

Making it confusing doesn't make it more plausible, or maybe it does considering how many people worship this dude