What can we do to help Ukraine?

[Tututerokツ雨]

The situation as a whole makes me extremely sad. Is there anything we, my goverment and your goverment can do to ensure Ukraine's victory?

Please keep it civil.

[Begal]

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Първоначално публикувано от Donut:

Hahaha, the question is. DID the USA take cuba's territory just like russia does in Ukraine
now? Yes or no.

No they just sanctioned them for how many years now?

More than half a century of collective punishment and poverty, this is your standard.

So Russia should be able to wall off Ukraine from the world as well by your standard.

But we all know your "rules based order" is just hypocrisy, double standards, to the point of killing thousands of children in Gaza using newly delivered American bombs and weapons.


You have no moral high ground to speak, as more and more of the world turns on the immoral Biden Regime/coup.

Yemen, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Iraq are now hostile, while your dementia patient tries for further war with Russia and China as if they aren't being laughed out of the Red Sea as we speak.

People are tired of your genocidal hypocrisy under the banner of the rainbow.

The "greatest ally" is being reported to the Hague for genocide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wjLKakAvPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYV5Nf4vz8

I mean, russia is free to sanction Ukraine for the entirety of time. Pretty sure Ukraine wouldn't even care.

Also I can’t tell you apart from majestic turkey, spencer and hathaway. How are you guys related to each other?

[Bison]

I could be wrong for all i know but i think Ukraine cant withstand prolonged war/ war of atrition (sure its nice EU and USA sends high tech stuff to you but what of it if you dont have enougu soldiers to actually use it) question is what would happen after that if civilians would comply with russian occupation or if there would be partisan/guerila warfare and if it would be sucessful enough to make russians leave at somepoint. But hey like i said its just opinion.

[livinggg]

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those afraid to fight for their beliefs...

This is the old way of thinking. On Earth V.2 we don't hold beliefs and therefore we do not fight. On Earth V.2 we rely on each other's unique viewpoint to observe the truth without perspective.

[Kiote]

Just best to leave it to the professionals- it's two countries that had conflict...stay out, in my opinion.
Do you know the reason why it's started? Neither do I.

[Dutchgamer1982]

you want to help...

1 keep pressing your goverment to end the trade boycot with russia
2 keep pressing your goverment to stop sending military equipment to ukraine
3 vote for politicians who will do those 2 things

-> this war is a frozen conflict that only tosses our economies down the gutter weakens our ammo supplied way below safe limits.. opening us wide for china doing funny stuff..

best that can be done is a negociated peace.. russia keeps crimea... and gets trade limits lifted.. but has to return donbas (restoring the pre war de facto situation)

zeleski who is having a free lunch just is to stobborn to make such a deal... but the ending of deliverieswill force his hand...

and ending the conflict will be the best way for the suffering to end.

better a negociated peace now than a pyrric victory a decade from now. (with us being dragged into poverty and irrelevant on the worldscale for paying that 10 year warcosts all that time..

[Insomniac Jack]

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Just best to leave it to the professionals- it's two countries that had conflict...stay out, in my opinion.
Do you know the reason why it's started? Neither do I.

These so called "professionals" either don't know what they're doing, or know all too well. Either way, our best interest is an afterthought -- at best.

[Begal]

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The difference is that multiple hundreds thousands of people died in Ukraine invasion so far just because of putbutt's ego.

And if your robbery fails already at the doorstep than I wouldn't even call it a robbery, yes.

I am having a hard time havint a serious and civil discussion with someone who uses words such as " puttbutt ".

My advise, look at U.S bases around the world (there are maps for that) and military operations the U.S has been involved in as well as initiated since 1950s and maybe also look into the deaths they have caused by doing so.

Out of the sudden, Russia looks actually like a saint..

I won't even bother, cheers. Maybe next time once you bring along some actual arguments and not just " combative terminology " and phrases you have heard on CNN and BBC.

Ok, if we take all conflicts in consideration. russia was also involved in their war against Georgia and Afghanistan as well as syria. Not to mention all the countries russia absorbed to become so huge. Guess that doesn’t make russia and especially putbutt look like saints anymore.

[Bamford]

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No they just sanctioned them for how many years now?

More than half a century of collective punishment and poverty, this is your standard.

So Russia should be able to wall off Ukraine from the world as well by your standard.

But we all know your "rules based order" is just hypocrisy, double standards, to the point of killing thousands of children in Gaza using newly delivered American bombs and weapons.


You have no moral high ground to speak, as more and more of the world turns on the immoral Biden Regime/coup.

Yemen, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Iraq are now hostile, while your dementia patient tries for further war with Russia and China as if they aren't being laughed out of the Red Sea as we speak.

People are tired of your genocidal hypocrisy under the banner of the rainbow.

The "greatest ally" is being reported to the Hague for genocide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wjLKakAvPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYV5Nf4vz8

I mean, russia is free to sanction Ukraine for the entirety of time. Pretty sure Ukraine wouldn't even care.

Also I can’t tell you apart from majestic turkey, spencer and hathaway. How are you guys related to each other?

The leftist is indistinguishable as the talking points they parrot, and you are always here aren't you, why is that?

Some people have backing to what they say, while all you have is the most easily discarded talking points.

You've just never thought about the hypocrisy, such is privilege, which is funny from the side fixated on that word.

I point at Israel and your moral authority immediately evaporates.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

allow mass refugee immigration from ukraine. bankrupting the west for proxy wars is foolish

[ZZZZZ]

Първоначално публикувано от Kiote:

Just best to leave it to the professionals- it's two countries that had conflict...stay out, in my opinion.
Do you know the reason why it's started? Neither do I.

according to russia the west is a main reason of their attack, means russia dragged the west in

[Zeno]

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Its actually even more complicated than that and I know that from first hand.

Pretty much ALL Ukrainians speak Russian in their daily lives, the only ones that do not are the ones in western Ukraine, the rest does. The language they use, is not remotely connected to their political or cultural association. You can find plenty of russian speaking Ukrainians in lets say central Ukraine, who do not feel like Russians and are proud Ukrainians.

Now that being said, Russian and Ukrainian culture are almost identical due to shared history and also due to the USSR as well as all the people that came to Ukraine from Russia and the other way around. Until 2014 this was actually never even a relevant topic.

I myself have been to Ukraine numerous times and even lived there for a period of time as I am married into a Ukrainian family from central Ukraine and I basically do not know ANY Ukrainian family that does not have some Russian grandfather or great-grandparent.
Its all interconnected.

Most westerners do not understand this at all nor would they comprehend what the actual challenge is in Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainians does not want to be separated and the majority also does not want to become part of Russia. At the same time, the majority does not want to give up their Russian language and cultural connection either.

Ukraine has become a mad place nowadays, they even removed orthodox christmas as an official bank holiday and replaced it with our christian christmas just to please their western supporters, its insane (as almost all Ukrainians are orthodox christians). I can go on and on...the Ukrainian government has never been fair, very democratic or honest, in fact they are tremendously corrupt and aren't a tad better than the Russian government.

Basically just a puppet state for the US and UK, hence so many U.S companies have most of their communication employees based in Ukraine, which by the way they pay only a very low wage.

Well, Ukraine is like Korea, it's a mess produced by the rivalry of two greater powers. With the same kind of consequences to anticipate. I am a westerner with 0 link with Ukraine at all, so I can only try to understand the situation. What I understand very well on the other hand is that the true attacker in this story is the USA. As they've provocked an US-backed coup in Ukraine called euro-maidan and knowed very well that the russians will not let that happen without a fight. Americans used this revolution to push slavs against slavs, so as many of them as possible will die in trenches with nothing good to expect from it for themselves.

A war against Russia via proxy, with not a drop of american blood spilled and even better, it's all slavs killing other slavs. This war destroy Ukraine, destroy Russia, destroy the rest of Europe too (economically at least) and the only ones who have their interests served, are the americans. And they'll dump the ukrainians like they already dumped irakis and kurds in the past.

Sad story, a story that keep repeating. I hope one day more peoples will understand that the USA is by far the main threat for world's stability and peace.

Pretty much this.

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I am having a hard time havint a serious and civil discussion with someone who uses words such as " puttbutt ".

My advise, look at U.S bases around the world (there are maps for that) and military operations the U.S has been involved in as well as initiated since 1950s and maybe also look into the deaths they have caused by doing so.

Out of the sudden, Russia looks actually like a saint..

I won't even bother, cheers. Maybe next time once you bring along some actual arguments and not just " combative terminology " and phrases you have heard on CNN and BBC.

They do that because they've been fed their attitude by Kremlinologists who have always just been disaffected exiles who spend their time mind reading, many are women like Julia Ioffe and such chosen "expert" talking heads, and so they basically resort to feminine coded type attacks over matters of geopolitics which is especially dangerous.

I am gonna quietly agree.

[Begal]

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… trump propaganda…

What are you even talking about? I don’t need to drown anyone in links and youtube videos because I’m a legit person, and not a propaganda bot. I try to explain everything with my own words. If anyone wants to look it up, they are free to do so by themselves.

[Dutchgamer1982]

I disagree that there was a coup in ukraine.. thats russian propaganda...

after decades of russia puppets in ukraine.. the people finally elected a canditated that was not a puppet to putin.

and this puppet saw they could leech more money off the EU than off russia.
ukraine remained a dirtpoor corrupt crap nation.. but free money is free money.

russia however could not accept it lost it's puppet.. just as it could not accept it white-russia would ever get rid of their dictator and have free elections..

true it was unwise to talk about ukraine joining nato.. or ukraine joining eu.. but neither was anywhere close to happening.. if anything this war may have caused that very thing to happen as now despite NOT meeting the criterary ukraine may sucker others to let them join out of shear pity cause this war..

wnat this war is about is russia having weak borders and feeling insecure... and purin being a dictator with mania who came to power by bombing his own people and blaming tjetjens so he could start a war against them... and whos circle has only become smaller and more yesman.. and as such is living in his own delusings like "the fall of the ussr was the biggest tragedy"

putin want to restore the ussr... and putin has no sane people around him to tell him : do normal dude.


that said... I not want my nation (the netherlands) to ruin our own economy over this war as we are now.... we must end the trade boycot so our products that were good for a solid 12% of our ecnomy... can go to russia.. and our energy sector running 60% on russian gas can also return to normal prices...

so end the trade boycot vs russia
and end all sending of money, material or aid to ukraine.
-> alowing some ukrainians to live here.. I am more ok with.. I rather have a few white eurppan immigrants than even more middle eastern ones...

and just as syrians should have stayed in middle east and be outright denied and deported out of europe.. so is ukraine an euroean matter.. were housing a fair percentage of them is only right.

[Kiote]

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Първоначално публикувано от Kiote:

Just best to leave it to the professionals- it's two countries that had conflict...stay out, in my opinion.
Do you know the reason why it's started? Neither do I.

according to russia the west is a main reason of their attack, means russia dragged the west in

Who? Dragged? Are you talking drag race show?
No this is other news about Britain....they have Munroe now represent all women. so this is progress of acceptance of all people.

[Bamford]

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Първоначално публикувано от Bamford:

… trump propaganda…

What are you even talking about? I don’t need to drown anyone in links and youtube videos because I’m a legit person, and not a propaganda bot. I try to explain everything with my own words. If anyone wants to look it up, they are free to do so.

You have no basis for what you are saying, whether you have links or not, and the links simply hammer that home.

If anyone wants to look up actual history, they are free to do it, but you are just repeating neocon talking points and CNN.

It doesn't get anymore concrete than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aedKFv_ABr4

People told you not to be foolish, but your favored regimes judgement proved completely reckless, so why should anyone take your opinions seriously?

Your bad ideas now have a body count well into the hundreds of thousands.

and you complain about "links"....says it all.