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Grendalcat 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 6:53
Is rent really too high?
So recently I have read many articles and comments stating that housing and rent are too high for the average person to afford.

However consider this:

In 1986 we rented an 1100 sf appartment(2BR, 2B) for $400/month.
This week a friend of ours rented an almost identical apartment, in the same part of town, for
$1000/month. Using this inflation calculator, the expected cost would be $1146/month.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

So is my area unusual, or are people not taking into account the affect of inflation on rents?
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**DeiRowtag 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 6:54 
in my area which is still a big city is 400$ for 40m square, 90m square is around 900$
Will be deleted 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:02 
Depend probably where you live, like I've heard rent in New York or San Fransico can be really high.
Ray Rook 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:06 
Inflation doesn't mean ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on if apartments are affordable.

The only thing that matters is how much the pay is in the area and the percentage of the rent cost of that pay.

All of you that keep trying to have these conversations are very terrible at statistics.

And yes, the rent is too high.
BuniBealla 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:09 
yes cost of living crisis is real
I had to move cause my place went from 600 to 950 meanwhile there's rats in the ceiling and mould on the walls
lmfao what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke uwu
GunsForBucks 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:18 
Inflation goes up

Good for national debt

Corporations in charge... trickle down

since the 80's
"don't give raises, make people ask for them"
"don't invest in anything, lease, rent run it as cheaply as possible so you can just walk away when things change with the most profit"
"push it till it breaks, then just fix what broke and keep pushing"

Housing is really just the first real pinch spot.. we have enjoyed the good life and had a lot to burn off.

Corporations don't care about country.. they only want to maximize profits.

Having very high taxes on the highest earnings, over 1 million profit 99% tax.

This will force the corporations to invest in land, equipment and people rather than pay that tax they would use it to expand.

This makes them care about a nation and its people. They will be invested in them as well.

Capitalism is a tool we should use to support Freedom. Not a machine out of control driving slavery. Just as Socialism twists a out of control Democracy. Democracy should be a tool to support Freedom.

In a nation the consideration should be for peoples Freedom. I believe that is what America stands for according to the bill of rights.

Corporations have had over 40 years of being in control and just look at how it ended up!!
最后由 GunsForBucks 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:20
Xero_Daxter 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:22 
I buy all the houses and rent them out. Infinite money glitch.
Talby 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:23 
Similar here, rented a townhouse for $800/mo back in '96, it is over $2000 now. Sad.
Morkonan 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:24 
引用自 Grendalcat
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So is my area unusual, or are people not taking into account the affect of inflation on rents?

The increase in rental/housing costs is very real, but it is also most acutely felt in high-demand urban areas where there are a good many people packed into a small space working in a job environment that can put extra stress on their ability to stay economically stable...

What happens when there's fifty-eleventy thousand entry-level jobs in a crowded urban area? Well, a bunch of those employees are going to mysteriously loose their jobs just before they're due for a raise, that's what.... How are they going to afford that upscaled rental cost? They won't.

In some other regions, rent/housing costs may not be as high, relatively speaking. But, overall, the costs have increased. It's just not as severe in some places.

Most of the people in the US rightfully complaining about the astronomical costs of rent/housing are very likely in urban areas... because that's likely the largest segment of internetz users that regularly comment on teh interwebz.

It's a real issue. But, it may not be as crippling for some as it is for others. Not being able to afford rent in an urban area where there are good jobs that you qualify for... means you ain't gonna be able to get that job.
N3tRunn3r 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:24 
and in meantime an indian marriage was established for 100 MILLION EURO, a few kilometers away next to the very real poor xD
最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 8:11
Ray Rook 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:29 
Just so people are aware, as someone who rents out a property... my property taxes doubled in the last two years. The idea of renting out to someone is that you pay your obligated amount and taxes and insurance and get a small percentage on top of that. This is not predatory.

I've had a tenant complaining about my rent increase. The only thing I did was pass on the new tax bill to them. That is it. If you want to complain... do so to your representative. When the house you're renting is valued at $200,000 and suddenly shoots up to $400,000 when the tax assessor reviews it... the cost is going to go up. I'm already not taking a lot of profit off of it. So I'm going to pass that on.

I don't make money off your rent. I make money off the value of the home. If the owed amount is $100,000 and the house is valued at $300,000... I can take a loan out of $200,000 to use elsewhere. This is how I and many others make money. They aren't making money a lot of money off your rent. Your $100 extra is nothing compared to me getting 3%-10% (After mortgage rates) returns in investments.

Oh, and also, the "Im just going to trash the place" crowd... I'm just charging your insurance that I am now forced to make people get, which adds to the cost. You're only hurting others.
最后由 Ray Rook 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:36
Xero_Daxter 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:38 
Millennials and Gen Z are screwed when it comes to housing.
michaelplehner 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:44 
The inflation calculator is a bit of a joke. I started renting my house in 2011 for 800 after I moved out of state. It only went up to 1050 at the beginning of covid. Now it's 1400 and I will raise the rent next year to 1500. Wages in the area did not double but the cost of food and clothing did. Insurance is much higher for myself and the renters and the property taxes almost doubled.
imaginecatchynamehere 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:55 
In 2005 the 2 bedroom I rented was $1,000. Out of curiosity I checked was it was now and it's $2,200. That is damn near 50% higher than inflation here. Have wages risen at a similar rate to offset that? Of course not. Using census data in my area really shows how drastic this is for home ownership. Using average home price and median income you get a price to income ratio. In 1980 it was 3.2, in 1990 it was 3.4, in 2000 it was 3.5, in 2010 it was 5.9 and in 2020 it was 6.7

That is to say from 1980 to 2000 a house on average would cost under 4x's the median household annual income. In 2020 it's almost 7x's. Household median income rose by nearly 300%, which is great. The average home price increased by over 700%. Not so great.
最后由 imaginecatchynamehere 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 8:02
Ray Rook 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 7:57 
It's property taxes and insurance. All those people that got "Free Roofs" from roofing guys walking around and telling you they'd bill your insurance for a whole new roof when all you needed was a replaced shingle... yea... those "Free Roofs" weren't so free.
Morkonan 2024 年 7 月 15 日 上午 8:02 
引用自 Ray Rook
Just so people are aware, as someone who rents out a property... my property taxes doubled in the last two years. The idea of renting out to someone is that you pay your obligated amount and taxes and insurance and get a small percentage on top of that. This is not predatory.
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^-- This. And, yes, a good many landlords have mortgages to pay on those rented properties, too.

I wrote a much longer post, but to sum: There is a very large impact on the rental market that is fueled by large corporate investment in rental property. And, many of these rental mega-corps have a large political influence. If one wonders why an apartment complex has so many loopholes to deny someone... there ya go.

But, the same issue that causes apartment rents to skyrocket also increases an area's property taxes. As these mega-centers of urban/sub-urban apartment/condo sprawls develop, so do services, shopping, roads, highways, etc... And, the improvements put in place to meet the needs to new high-density, high profit, housing also cause property taxes for long-term properties to skyrocket.

Even honest politicians see this as an improvement since the "standard of living" increases for all in the region. But, at the individual level, the change sometimes results in hardship. Little old ladies are forced out of their homes. People can't afford the rent increases. Boutique grocery stores replace the budget-shopping residents enjoyed in the past.... "Gentrification" sets in, for some.

A landlord trying to make living being a landlord is not an inherently bad thing at all. People just blame them because it's their name they're writing those checks, to.

PS: There's also a mind-bogglingly weird meme-trend out there that it's inherently better to "rent" than to "own." People are paying thousands of monies a month and congratulating themselves for not falling prey to a mortgage. Hey, if you're not planning on living there long-term, OK. If you are... you are building no equity, but are paying the same amount, sometimes even more, that a mortgage might cost you. /boggle
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