What's your opinion on anti-natalism?

[Sex Alarm]

What's your opinion on anti-natalism?

[sleeps]

like seriously. who tf is natalia?

[Not Big Surprise]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Trash:

Globalist propaganda.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

i'd like to add to my previous post and say that, the people who think anti-natalism is about "ohh, woe is me, the world is horrible" are also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid

That's pretty much the mentality of anti-natalists. If you think.that the population needs to be killed off and that people should die childless you're naturally going to be pretty miserable.

i think existence is something imposed, something we cannot consent to
and because of this, i cannot justify creating life

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

It's one of many copes going around these days.

Some couples are childless by choice but when it comes to single people who are so adamant against it, you know something else is at play there and it usually stems from bitterness.

It COULD be anything, but I am sure that most of the people who are so much against it are genuine and honest about that.
You assuming that every single person against it is just coping is laughable.
I have seen so manyt people who had their life DESTROYED simply because of having had kids and to NOT have kids, other than morally more fair, is also a VERY selfish choice... don't you think that selfishness is a very normal thing? Personally I consider it a GOOD thing too, but I respect those who don't want to go that far. But let's be honest, at least you should acknowledge that selfishness is at least absolutely normal...

[gugnihr]

Yoiu know why I am so much "pro anti natalism"? Why I feel so much the need to support it so much? Because there is one thing I blame even more than my parents... I can somewhat understand what happened to them... expecially my mother, she was naive and full of stupid hopes... my father already knew how bad life is but that piece of ♥♥♥♥ just did not care... because he is a retarded idiot... no, the thing I really cannot forgive is society, that always assume that having kids is always a good thing and brainwash individual people to think that way.
Parents are not the ones I blame the most. This is why I say that they are doing somethiong "cruel" and I don't say they are doing something "evil"... I get it, they just don't understand the consequences. The one that really made me feel brutally betrayed is socieety. This is one of the things that I hate the most about society. I am not a misanthrope generally speaking, but some things in society are really awful and this is one of the worst for me.

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gugnihr:

It COULD be anything, but I am sure that most of the people who are so much against it are genuine and honest about that.
You assuming that every single person against it is just coping is laughable.
I have seen so manyt people who had their life DESTROYED simply because of having had kids and to NOT have kids, other than morally more fair, is also a VERY selfish choice... don't you think that selfishness is a very normal thing? Personally I consider it a GOOD thing too, but I respect those who don't want to go that far. But let's be honest, at least you should acknowledge that selfishness is at least absolutely normal...

Then those people should get vasectomies then. Oh but wait. They don't.

What are you talking about? It is perfectly possible to not have kids without surgery and there are people who do not have kids without the need of it.

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gugnihr:

What are you talking about? It is perfectly possible to not have kids without surgery and there are people who do not have kids without the need of it.

Riiiiiiìight.. Convenient, don't you think? Conviction doesn't run that deep, it seems.

Are you promoting "self" mutilation?
Honestly this argument sounds really stupid. If somebody says that anti natalism is good and then they at some point they make kids then feel free to judge those people as you wish.

[imaginecatchynamehere]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

i'd like to add to my previous post and say that, the people who think anti-natalism is about "ohh, woe is me, the world is horrible" are also ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid

But in the context of this thread, you can see something that looks very close to "the world is horrible, my life has been bad, so that's why I'm for it".

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

i think existence is something imposed, something we cannot consent to
and because of this, i cannot justify creating life

I can definitely see the rationale there. For me my approach to that would be that it's impossible for something that doesn't exist to give consent so the concept itself then isn't irrelevant. That's an interesting one to think about though.

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gugnihr:

Are you promoting "self" mutilation?
Honestly this argument sounds really stupid. If somebody says that anti natalism is good and then they at some point they make kids then feel free to judge those people as you wish.

It's not mutilation, it's surgery to prevent conception. But it's clear your convictions don't run as deep as you think they do. Likewise for anti-natalists who can still impregnate women.

What the hell are you talking about? Getting surgery is not a walk in the park, if you think so I'm sorry for you.
I know women who have always known that they do not want kids and I know women who have understood that they did not want kids only after having their life destroyed because of those kids,do you think that they should be sterilized?
Also I would not need any vasectomy anyway, I have diffewrent tastes lol. It just could not happen that I make kids, not even accidentally lol.
I just think that it is disgusting to promote surgery in such a carefree way. I'm sure that you just want to be provocative and annoying on purpose just because you don't have any better argument, so I mean I'm sure you are the first one who don't take your words seriously.
With that said, considering how annoying you are, I just wish you the same fate I have seen that happened to so many people who have decided to give birth lol... believe me it's not fun lol. And you know what, lately it is happening VERY often, a lot more often than it used to in the past... have fun lol

[imaginecatchynamehere]

A vasectomy can be done without a scalpel these days and doesn't require any stitches. It's not really a big deal as far as the procedure itself goes. Seems a bit odd to consider it mutilation to me given how minor it really is.

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von imaginecatchynamehere:

A vasectomy can be done without a scalpel these days and doesn't require any stitches. It's not really a big deal as far as the procedure itself goes. Seems a bit odd to consider it mutilation to me given how minor it really is.

It's reversible too and an outpatient procedure.

But he's shown his true colours there. I appreciate when people show who they really are. Nice job, gug. I sincerely hope you get the healing you need so dearly.

Hey rember that it's you the one who had to resort to shallow, silly and annoying provocations because you don't have any better argument, not me.
What my "true colors" would be, please explain, lol. I think that I have explained my "true colors" very extensively in my previous posts, if you want to read them please tell me what my "true colors" are instead according to you compared to them, if you have anything of substance.

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von imaginecatchynamehere:

A vasectomy can be done without a scalpel these days and doesn't require any stitches. It's not really a big deal as far as the procedure itself goes. Seems a bit odd to consider it mutilation to me given how minor it really is.

And instead it does not seem a bit odd to you to say that anti natalists should do it???It is very obviously just an attempt to be particularly annoying, and let's see, why somebody would do something like that in a discussion?

[gugnihr]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

It's one of many copes going around these days.

Some couples are childless by choice but when it comes to single people who are so adamant against it, you know something else is at play there and it usually stems from bitterness.

Having kids it is not only morally "controversial" to say the least towards YOUR OWN kids, it is also a very heavy and hard burden for yourself as a parent, completely going against your own individual interests.
Ironically I can somehow understand how somebody who still want to do that despite all of this, for whatever reason (brainwash of their own hormones stronger than their logical mind, brainwash from society, brainwash from their families) feel the need to defend their opinion and deny any logical evidence "against" it so desperately.
Anyway if you so desperately want to think that me, and anybody who thinks the same as me, are just coping then you know what I don't really care too much, maybe I can have shown my "true colours" but after you have played all your cards I am very gladf to let readers judge who is in the wrong lol

[Not Big Surprise]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Trash:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

i think existence is something imposed, something we cannot consent to
and because of this, i cannot justify creating life

You're just proving that anti-natalism is the exact thing you said it isn't.

What a miserable point of view.

how

it's not a matter of whether the world is good or bad, it's not a matter of bitterness
it's a matter of consent

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gugnihr:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Breathe:

Riiiiiiìight.. Convenient, don't you think? Conviction doesn't run that deep, it seems.

Are you promoting "self" mutilation?
Honestly this argument sounds really stupid. If somebody says that anti natalism is good and then they at some point they make kids then feel free to judge those people as you wish.

i don't think deciding to forego "fertility" on your own accord, through a carefully performed surgical intervention, is an act of mutilation

[Dracoco OwO]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Trash:

You're just proving that anti-natalism is the exact thing you said it isn't.

What a miserable point of view.

how

it's not a matter of whether the world is good or bad, it's not a matter of bitterness
it's a matter of consent

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gugnihr:

Are you promoting "self" mutilation?
Honestly this argument sounds really stupid. If somebody says that anti natalism is good and then they at some point they make kids then feel free to judge those people as you wish.

i don't think deciding to forego "fertility" on your own accord, through a carefully performed surgical intervention, is an act of mutilation

Tbh i always said that sexual transition alone sucked because of infertility and losing the ability to produce hormones but i wonder what peoples will complain about if this is somehow solved in a way.

[Not Big Surprise]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dracoco OwO:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Not Big Surprise:

how

it's not a matter of whether the world is good or bad, it's not a matter of bitterness
it's a matter of consent


i don't think deciding to forego "fertility" on your own accord, through a carefully performed surgical intervention, is an act of mutilation

Tbh i always said that sexual transition alone sucked because of infertility and losing the ability to produce hormones but i wonder what peoples will complain about if this is somehow solved in a way.

tbf permanent loss of both fertility and the ability to produce sex hormones depends on what kinds of transition you go through