Has gaming stopped evolving?

[オナニー]

Has the ability to look down and see your body not yet become a standard feature?
Or competent AI in video games?

Has the only thing that evolved is the ability for publishers to push microtransactions into games slowly desensitizing the masses into accepting the new norm?

Modern games feel stale aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[apathy]

Gaming will never stop evolving because the human imagination is almost limitless.

[Chesmu]

Gaming has stopped evolving at 2012. After that, the "innovators" of tech and gaming focused on evolving their ways of getting your money with built in shops, game passes, micro-transactions, unfinished games that come with paid finishes called DLC (scam tactic) and forced data collection, as the developers has turned into data selling business rather than game developing.

And recently they care more about graphics than having fun, as if having better graphics on a leaf of a tree or tire of a car is more important than having the game compatible with different OS, bug free, fun, affordable to specs, and actually interesting with story.

Soon they will also ignore tastes in gaming and advertise against old and pixel games, genres and the ways to play them, and the only taste they promote will be "modern' 3D play / VR which you'll need a top-notch PC and gear for. (business tactics)

[swillfly]

Consider the target market . . .

• younger folks
  
• disposable income
  
• less critical-thinking
  
• impulse shoppers

Nope, gaming quality/evolution is right where it belongs.

[Squashbuckler]

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Has the ability to look down and see your body not yet become a standard feature?
Or competent AI in video games?

Has the only thing that evolved is the ability for publishers to push microtransactions into games slowly desensitizing the masses into accepting the new norm?

Modern games feel stale aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I can't get excited for new games. Especially AAA.

New CoD? It's going to cost over $70, and all gameplay is online multiplayer. All you can do is grind that. There's nothing else to it. I haven't bought a CoD game in many years. Because they don't care about those of us that buy the game for the single-player campaign.

New f2p online game? I hope you like 100+ hour grind. And having everything good/cool paywalled at outrageous prices. And then the server will shut down in 6 months.

New fighting game? Minimal single-player content. Online only achievements. Everyone online is God-tier. Completely unbeatable. And yet? All gameplay and content revolves around online play.

New rogue-ish game? Like I haven't done this before. Not interested in dying 100s of times to see the ending of a game. (Assuming there even is an ending.)

Card game battler or RTS? There's just going to be some broken thing that everyone uses and abuses. Which will prevent any amount of fun. As you'll be forced to play that, or a direct counter to that.

Racing game? It's all been done. To death. There's only so many times you can drive around a track before it becomes dull. New games with new cars and new tracks help very little.

Sports game? Yearly roster update costing $60. Not appealing at all.

MMO or BR? Their one and only goal is to get you to spend money.

RPG? It will be overpriced. It will stay overpriced. Until the day it is removed from sale. It will be easy. Gameplay will be shallow. Story will be a lame cliche.

It's hard to care when everything is MTX, season passes, limited-time items, and special editions. The game industry doesn't want to make a good game I'll like. They want me to play a game that will take as much money from me as possible.

I have discussed this in the Witcher 3 Thread, but the days of RPG's like Fallout 1 and 2, and/or Baldurs gate 2 storytelling are long gone, unfortunately. I have reviewed a number of games and they are my passion. Lots of decent games, but they are far easier then they used to be, and "dumbed down" for the most part. I recognize this is a lot of generalizing, but COH, Witcher 3, and some others are generally disappointing. However, we still have some creative games that I play frequently. An example would be Crusader kings. A great game, but the dismal challenge is unfortunate.

[Squashbuckler]

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Consider the target market . . .

• younger folks
  
• disposable income
  
• less critical-thinking
  
• impulse shoppers

Nope, gaming quality/evolution is right where it belongs.

Lots of flash with little substance, unfortunately. I also notice a lot of gatekeeping and defending games. Just poor taste in general. I mean, how much taste can people who are occupied with tiktok, instagram, and social media really have? Most young people cant even name the Beatles. That is pretty bad.

[Squashbuckler]

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Technically evolving. Spiritually dead.

Actually guess that's the main market. The indy space is different.

I agree with your assessment. I am pleased with a number of indie games like project hospital, Empyrion, and some others I have sunk time into. I am not impressed by visuals (Witcher 3). Great, but doesnt drive a story or an RPG home. I would prefer fallout 2 writing.

[swillfly]

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Consider the target market . . .

• younger folks
  
• disposable income
  
• less critical-thinking
  
• impulse shoppers

Nope, gaming quality/evolution is right where it belongs.

Lots of flash with little substance, unfortunately. I also notice a lot of gatekeeping and defending games. Just poor taste in general. I mean, how much taste can people who are occupied with tiktok, instagram, and social media really have? Most young people cant even name the Beatles. That is pretty bad.

Think that's bad? Try ordering some food from the aforementioned group of folks . . . what a treat.

[Squashbuckler]

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Gaming has stopped evolving at 2012. After that, the "innovators" of tech and gaming focused on evolving their ways of getting your money with built in shops, game passes, micro-transactions, unfinished games that come with paid finishes called DLC (scam tactic) and forced data collection, as the developers has turned into data selling business rather than game developing.

And recently they care more about graphics than having fun, as if having better graphics on a leaf of a tree or tire of a car is more important than having the game compatible with different OS, bug free, fun, affordable to specs, and actually interesting with story.

Soon they will also ignore tastes in gaming and advertise against old and pixel games, genres and the ways to play them, and the only taste they promote will be "modern' 3D play / VR which you'll need a top-notch PC and gear for. (business tactics)

Many games are also very easy... Everyone gets a trophy! I suspect all avenues of gaming will decrease, with the exception of perverted H games that has femdom and animal-like themes. Surprisingly, they are quite fun, but target a difference sense, and not the satisfaction of a good story.

[Squashbuckler]

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Lots of flash with little substance, unfortunately. I also notice a lot of gatekeeping and defending games. Just poor taste in general. I mean, how much taste can people who are occupied with tiktok, instagram, and social media really have? Most young people cant even name the Beatles. That is pretty bad.

Think that's bad? Try ordering some food from the aforementioned group of folks . . . what a treat.

lol. I have another huge thread in steam general on censorship and how it impacts creating thinking... the word police think diversity is more important than creative writing. My grandfather did not recognize the characters in COD Vanguard. He didnt see any female heroes while being torpedoed in the Mediterranean. Females were heroes in other ways, no doubt, but they were not operating the AK AK guns while he was being bombed. A game with female heroes making shells, sacrificing for the family, or pulling their weight in other ways, 100 PERCENT!

Edit: Females in Britain may have used AK AK guns, but you catch my drift. Historical games should remain accurate to the times.

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we both (at least i hope so) can choose to evaluate situation from more or less subjective perspective, and that's cool, but that doesn't change actualities as they are, where you enter "video game trends" in google and top results say, "cloud gaming, streaming, digital distribution, free to play", and similar brain rot.

There is no such thing as objective. Everything is biased, the trick is to understand your own bias.
Sometimes I wish people that complain about todays standards, would be forced to play some of the Atari, C64 and NES games I have played..

You try renting Fester´s Quest for a weekend for 15$ and feel forced to play it those 3 days, because you did not want the 15$ to have been wasted...

My point here is. We are overly spoiled now a days, everybody in a developed country and avarage standings, even have access to these luxuries one way or another.
Be thankful for what you have now.


Arghhh... now it made me think about Fester´s Quest and the horrors and the ilogical plot...

What is Fester doing? Why are aliens invading earth?.. it is all so confusing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrElD5f3GCE

in the movie fester lost memories after disappearing and returning in/from bermuda triangle, so here's alien connection.

i feel rather thankful. however, any "no such thing as objective" person clearly doesn't hold thankfulness and criticism at the same value.

[Squashbuckler]

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As an oldie (40), I can say that the maturity and storytelling has become significantly poorer over the years. I attribute this to younger writers, and the unending need to apparently include DEI initiatives into all types of writing. Compare the netflix witcher series to the first witcher videogame....

As an oldie too, I'm not so sure about this insight of yours.

It is true that "the code of a story" has been extremely and thoroughly explored during the last 50 to 100 years, well more closely during the recent 50 years, and it has been... well solved and explained. For example, the work of František "Frank" Daniel is very widely known among the academic circles and many av-products can be taken under closer analysis with the tools explained by his insights and ways. Actually... for a hired screen-&scriptwriter who has to write 5 - 15 scripts in a week... its basic tool for work. Like an old OT-friend of mine used to say, - keep the reader reading, is the simplest visible outcome of that kind of working ways and writing 😊

For me its easy to spot this kind of... or way to "work" professionally. Its so common, that you can see it, if you know about it. Is it bad? 🤔 Well... damn... I dunno. Its easy. It makes writing easy. A simple profession and formal enough to learn for anyone. I admit, that it takes a lot away from experiencing stories, when you understand it and know about it.

I don't know about that DEI angle you mention about in your post. Or at least I'm not so confident that "it" would be the reason. But I sort agree with you, that so many writers are not pushing enough. They take the keep the reader reading, keep the watcher watching -path, and become repetitive and predictable. Dull even. But its business. Netflix don't give a crap about anything else, expect "the product" has to be "profitable". Plain business. If the buttplugs would be a hit, I bet Netflix would have launched their own ButtNetPlugflix products to be used when watching Stranger Things. Well at least they would give the amazing vibes to experience with the show 😁.

LOL! I can agree with your post. The Witcher Netflix series made my painfully upset at the current state of affairs. The fact that people thought it was great was even more disappointing.

[Vinegaroon]

Evolution is often slow once the niches are filled

[Squashbuckler]

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Gaming will never stop evolving because the human imagination is almost limitless.

I think it is a partially a demographic issue... We have a lot of younger persons who simply could not have the level of life experience and exposure compared to someone like Stephen King, or Kurt Vonnegut, or a number of skilled writers from a different era. The world has just changed. I would suggest that hardships and exposure would make wiser writing, and more effective games.

[swillfly]

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Think that's bad? Try ordering some food from the aforementioned group of folks . . . what a treat.

lol. I have another huge thread in steam general on censorship and how it impacts creating thinking... the word police think diversity is more important than creative writing. My grandfather did not recognize the characters in COD Vanguard. He didnt see any female heroes while being torpedoed in the Mediterranean. Females were heroes in other ways, no doubt, but they were not operating the AK AK guns while he was being bombed. A game with female heroes making shells, sacrificing for the family, or pulling their weight in other ways, 100 PERCENT!

Edit: Females in Britain may have used AK AK guns, but you catch my drift. Historical games should remain accurate to the times.

It's all about what sells . . . tiny, anime female protagonists with colorful, disproportionate *parts* sells much better to Abner & ♥♥♥♥♥ than any realistic-ish game.

[Squashbuckler]

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Lots of flash with little substance, unfortunately. I also notice a lot of gatekeeping and defending games. Just poor taste in general. I mean, how much taste can people who are occupied with tiktok, instagram, and social media really have? Most young people cant even name the Beatles. That is pretty bad.

Think that's bad? Try ordering some food from the aforementioned group of folks . . . what a treat.

I had a server tell me how amazing the "Keg" Billy Miner cake was. It was horrible. Nothing special about it at all. In fact, we can probably compare chain food to chain games... soulless. lol