A No Win For You, Situation

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

So a while back while playing Fallout Tactics, I ran into a rather interesting question and I want to see what people of OT would do out of the 4 choices presented. It is a no win for the reader which means in short: "Regardless of choice, your not going to survive the outcome."

The question was as followed: "Two youths are scavaging the grounds of a bombed out city just post four days after the nuclear war, their unarmed but seem to have makeshift clothing to prevent injurty. You don't see any protectors nearby but you can't help but shake a feeling while watching them from a hidden spot that their not unprotected as they at first look to be, on you is an official United States set of Power Armor, damaged after the nuclear blasts that racked the city a few days prior and a standard issue military rifle, you have a full clip of highly powerful lethal rounds that can kill with good aim before the target can react. The two look to be no more then ten and twelve respectfully and pose no harm to your vantage point or your local squad who has yet to spot the two but their not from where you are in the local city block. Your squad however has recently shown to take no chances


A: "Shoot them yourself, it will be a mercy killing before my squad fully arrive, but doing so will cause the guardians of the two to open fire on you at the squad, you wont survive nor will your squad due to overwhelming numbers."

B: "Do not shoot them, they will however die by your squad far slowly trying to get information out of them. You will be unable to leave the area and within a short time the guardians of the two will arrive and liberate them, two however may also die along with the squad in the ensuing firefight."

C: "Attempt to save them, you won't succeed and will die with them but at least it won't be a vein attempt when the kids family hears gunfire to kill your former squad, however you'll be branded a traitor and within a week a war between the Brotherhood of the Midwest and the local surviving clusters of civilization will follow, the results being hundreds dead on both sides."

D: "Lie to your squad you saw nothing, you'll return to base and see the kids told their family they saw a BHoS soldier, in 2 days your bunker will be destroyed by the kids family, their affiliation completely unknown due to lack of information."


Once you have picked, you can reveal this to know why the question is done like this: A No win situation is one where the most difficult of situations will never have a good outcome, in many situations there will never be a good outcome regardless of ones stance of morals and ideals, hope nor justification also has no impact within these events as the results all result in your own death or something worse happening regardless of choice or actions done. In both the Fallout Universe, and the real world there are moments where there will never be a good outcome but one must pick and choose what they feel is best, a notable example is the bombing of Japan during the second world war. The President of the United States was never know to have three options to go with, because he only did one which was drop the devastating weapons of Little Boy and Fat Man on Japan which resulted in two cities being utterly reduced to ashes, but the other two options were also going to end in death.

For example option B was to continue with the island hoping campaign to the mainland of Japan once the rest of the Allies had gathered their forces, but projected deaths in just the landings alone would of been fifteen times that of the Normandy landings, and that is just in taking the beachhead alone, that is not including the countless losses of life to claim Japan. Option C was to continue the fire bombing of Japan, but C was still bad as the resulting total destruction of Japan's land would of, or could of, erased them off of the face of the planet and further more, this would leave resistance forces splattered all over Earth once Japan's leadership had fallen, its worth noting that some Japanese soldiers after World War two didnt get the message that the war was over and still kept fighting, knowing that fact alone implies that with the fall of mainland Japan and its leadership, what remained of Japan could of formed into a hardened gurrila resistance group that today would of caused countless deaths.

There was no good option for the president but out of A, B and C, A was the one that resulted in the least deaths, respite reducing two cities to their shadows, the other former of B and C would of resulted in more deaths then the actual number that came out of the ending of World War 2, just like that President, there are event that have no good outcome but we have to face them whether we like it, or not

[mcgiverlol]

i am not reading all that

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Originally posted by MC MCGIVER:

i am not reading all that

I don't blame you as I just realized how freaking long of a book I typed up xD

[Starfarer]

B sounds like the best choice

[kilésengati]

Originally posted by Shizune:

"Regardless of choice, your not going to survive the outcome."

Life in a nutshell.

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

D, final answer. I call that a little bit of trolling.

[Kenneth Adams]

Originally posted by Shizune:

Once you have picked, you can reveal this to know why the question is done like this: A No win situation is one where the most difficult of situations will never have a good outcome, in many situations there will never be a good outcome regardless of ones stance of morals and ideals, hope nor justification also has no impact within these events as the results all result in your own death or something worse happening regardless of choice or actions done. In both the Fallout Universe, and the real world there are moments where there will never be a good outcome but one must pick and choose what they feel is best, a notable example is the bombing of Japan during the second world war. The President of the United States was never know to have three options to go with, because he only did one which was drop the devastating weapons of Little Boy and Fat Man on Japan which resulted in two cities being utterly reduced to ashes, but the other two options were also going to end in death.

For example option B was to continue with the island hoping campaign to the mainland of Japan once the rest of the Allies had gathered their forces, but projected deaths in just the landings alone would of been fifteen times that of the Normandy landings, and that is just in taking the beachhead alone, that is not including the countless losses of life to claim Japan. Option C was to continue the fire bombing of Japan, but C was still bad as the resulting total destruction of Japan's land would of, or could of, erased them off of the face of the planet and further more, this would leave resistance forces splattered all over Earth once Japan's leadership had fallen, its worth noting that some Japanese soldiers after World War two didnt get the message that the war was over and still kept fighting, knowing that fact alone implies that with the fall of mainland Japan and its leadership, what remained of Japan could of formed into a hardened gurrila resistance group that today would of caused countless deaths.

There was no good option for the president but out of A, B and C, A was the one that resulted in the least deaths, respite reducing two cities to their shadows, the other former of B and C would of resulted in more deaths then the actual number that came out of the ending of World War 2, just like that President, there are event that have no good outcome but we have to face them whether we like it, or not

Reminds me of Kazuo Kawai's claim.

[Cheeseburgers & Beer]

Well, If I knew they had overwatch I’d wait for my squad, flank their support then drop the scavengers and clear the area

so kind of A

[Lune]

Ain't reading all of that

[↑↑↓↓←→←→BASelect]

I'll read this when i have to drop a deuce next.

[Goldias]

Shoot them.
If I'll die might as well rack up some scores.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

As I said with the 2nd post, I apologize for typing up a book, I seriously didnt expect it to be so long xD

[Tonepoet]

I simply can not find myself respecting the question as it is posed. Real life is not a multiple choice question predestined to fail, and how I would react in a given situation would not be influenced by the knowledge that I am in a no-win situation. The decision would have to be made under the assumption that I could achieve an optimal outcome, unless I am some sort of prophet.

Also, I do not even have enough information to know where my loyalties lie in this scenario. Kinda matters if I'm a volunteer soldier and what my motivations were for becoming one, or if I'm a conscript who doesn't believe in the cause.

The only real answer is to cheat the scenario like how James T. Kirk cheated the Kobayashi Maru when he was a Starfleet Cadet.

[SirSeanicus]

A 'No Win' situation?

You mean arguing about politics on Twitter and Steam off topic?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

I simply can not find myself respecting the question as it is posed. Real life is not a multiple choice question predestined to fail, and how I would react in a given situation would not be influenced by the knowledge that I am in a no-win situation. The decision would have to be made under the assumption that I could achieve an optimal outcome, unless I am some sort of prophet.

Also, I do not even have enough information to know where my loyalties lie in this scenario. Kinda matters if I'm a volunteer soldier and what my motivations were for becoming one, or if I'm a conscript who doesn't believe in the cause.

The only real answer is to cheat the scenario like how James T. Kirk cheated the Kobayashi Maru when he was a Starfleet Cadet.

This is 100% understandable, as a matter of fact you don't need to choose any of the options as the question in of itself is entirely situational and based off extreme and rather vague information to start with.

From the context I have on hand, the vague nature is so that no one knows whos good or bad, such as those you work for or those civilians, but thats just my understanding of the situation.

For what is worth, the question is not an easy one for me either, but your awnser is actually interesting none the less!

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Originally posted by Sir Seanicus, Esq.:

A 'No Win' situation?

You mean arguing about politics on Twitter and Steam off topic?

I mean, thats a strange way to put it but I guess your really not wrong in that claim, discussing such things is literally a lose/lose situation regardless of the topic x.x