Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Harusp3x:

If I have a job to do to solve some big math equation, it doesn't matter if I get to the end result by hand, or using a computer. In fact, if I'm competing in a capitalist marketplace, if I do all my work by hand I'm going to be rapidly out-competed by those people using a computer. They can knock out hundreds of jobs while I'm still working on the first one. The client doesn't care about how long I took and how much I had to really train to get good at it. The only thing the client cares about is results.

My #65 and #69 comments explaining why artists getting paid and why it's different from paying purely for result.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Harusp3x:

I think I understand what you're saying, which is why the ones who will get the most out of AI art will be artists themselves, or at least people with an artistic eye. They know what works and what doesn't, and they'll be better able to steer the AI to a better result.

If AI will have more ways to stear it - sure, but right now it's only causing backlash to such artists. Because what the point of knowing how it's gonna be better if at the end of the day you will not create 100% of the work?
I need to accept it's may be because i personally dislike many shortcuts like using pattern layers, complex brushes, copypasting etc. On the other hand, NOBODY gonna think less of you for not using AI.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Harusp3x:

AI doesn't really make art with lines and strokes. It starts with pure noise. Television static, then it iterates through that static over and over. It compares two results and asks "Which of these better matches the prompt based on what I know?" Picks the better one and does it again, over and over until the image emerges. Right now, AI struggles a bit with hands because it simply has no concept of what hands are. It has several connections in it's "head" for what constitutes the essence of hands, but it's not thinking about perspective or anatomy or underlying structure at all. With more information fed into the training data for what constitutes "hand-ness", it gets better at doing hands. Also AI doesn't "use" anything from it's training data. It takes an image with several words or "tags" attached to it and makes countless connections from countless directions, kind of like neurons in a human brain, based on this information. It does this countless times. If it sees something with similar qualities more than once, it will strengthen previous connections, and yes, it will be more likely to generate something resembling that element of the image but in no way actually using the original image.

I meant something like you explained, english is not my native language, that's why i can't express my thoughts 100% precisely. At the end of the day, the concept is very similar for my arguments.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av hi friends:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Michanicks:

Don't be mad at someone making money out of it.
That way you are getting close to the way of thinking of artitst haters.

This was merely a question, and you are telling me "don't be mad"? Clearly my autistic ass can't convey ♥♥♥♥ without random guy thinks he's mad.

I didn't mean you are mad right now, i mean, it's overall not very good way of thinking about other people.
Many people who dreaming of artists getting replaces also "angry" (put any more fitting word) at real artist getting money, as they think, they do not deserve.

[hi friends]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Michanicks:

Ursprungligen skrivet av hi friends:

This was merely a question, and you are telling me "don't be mad"? Clearly my autistic ass can't convey ♥♥♥♥ without random guy thinks he's mad.

I didn't mean you are mad right now, i mean, it's overall not very good way of thinking about other people.
Many people who dreaming of artists getting replaces also "angry" (put any more fitting word) at real artist getting money, as they think, they do not deserve.

AI artists (themselves) should not be paid for ♥♥♥♥ when all they do is generate AI "art" by just spewing words based on someone's tool, and model based on ♥♥♥♥ you've gathered on pixiv, etc etc. That money should go into someone who made these tools, or who they based off with.
It's like selling your own home's tap water (or go into rando shop and get drink outta their drink bar)- which someone feeds it to you, and you just bottle it sell it to neighbor for 3$.
Real artists at least do something to this tap water, like idk put some syrup into it or whatever, to their extent that their own creativity allows- they deserve to get paid for this work.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av hi friends:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Michanicks:

I didn't mean you are mad right now, i mean, it's overall not very good way of thinking about other people.
Many people who dreaming of artists getting replaces also "angry" (put any more fitting word) at real artist getting money, as they think, they do not deserve.

AI artists (themselves) should not be paid for ♥♥♥♥ when all they do is generate AI "art" by just spewing words based on someone's tool, and model based on ♥♥♥♥ you've gathered on pixiv, etc etc. That money should go into someone who made these tools, or who they based off with.
It's like selling your own home's tap water- which someone feeds it to you, and you just bottle it sell it to neighbor for 3$.
Real artists at least do something to this tap water, like idk put some syrup into it or whatever- they deserve to get paid for this work.

I agree that using AI tools for professional work is lame and lazy, but i not agree with you fully.
There is a thin line between "proompters getting money they don't deserve" and "artists getting money they don't deserve".

Both of them getting money not because they came up with the prices, but because there is people who ready to pay for it. By that principe many artists getting hilariously big paychecks (when it's not a scam).

Right now there is a big hype around AI's, it's causes bigger popularity for the AI.
Don't worry, in the long way it's only gonna increase the price of honest work for people who have passion for it instead of wish of simply getting pretty pictures.

[Paratech2008]

There was a funny episode of Murphy Brown where her daughter who was extremely young, did some "art" and some so-called "art experts" wanted to sell them for thousands of dollars...

It makes me question how people get to be art critics.

They had a similar thing in Iron Man 2 where Tony and Pepper got into an argument about him selling his art collection. His portrait of Iron Man made like the Obama picture during his first campaign was "art" to me. Better than what Pepper called "art"

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Plaid:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Michanicks:

I agree that using AI tools for professional work is lame and lazy, but i not agree with you fully.
There is a thin line between "proompters getting money they don't deserve" and "artists getting money they don't deserve".

Both of them getting money not because they came up with the prices, but because there is people who ready to pay for it. By that principe many artists getting hilariously big paychecks (when it's not a scam).

Right now there is a big hype around AI's, it's causes bigger popularity for the AI.
Don't worry, in the long way it's only gonna increase the price of honest work for people who have passion for it instead of wish of simply getting pretty pictures.

I suppose, thinking positively, it could prompt a more creative outlook in some non-artists.
As you say, there's a lot of hype right now. Maybe once people are over the novelty factor they'll start to look at things and say "Actually I would rather this be over here and this color be changed', perhaps leading to "oh ♥♥♥♥ it I know what I want I'll just draw it myself" and the artist was born.

There's a lot of satisfaction in producing some high quality artwork. Just ask the guy who uses his toes to paint because he has no arms.

Inventiion of photo had lead many artists to turn away from realism and invent different expressive styles and themes in their works.
AI, probably, gonna lead as many artists to turn away from surrealism and to try making their works more complex and consistent and anatomically correct, bruh.

[Devsman]

Ursprungligen skrivet av hi friends:

why should "AI artist" get paid whatsoever when all they did was spew some words into machine and got an output tho? (cuz ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i've seen a collection of AI art got sold for more than 4000 copies.... for 20$ or some ♥♥♥♥.) it's not even your customized tool, unlike how people get creative with existing JS frameworks. whatever they spew isn't creative either, all i see is a not just same art style, or emotionless nsfw arts.

it's like that game "dreamworld" but worse.

They shouldn't, of course. This whole thing just brings us back to what we should never have forgotten:

That art is a creative endeavor and not a career.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Devsman's Comet:

Ursprungligen skrivet av hi friends:

why should "AI artist" get paid whatsoever when all they did was spew some words into machine and got an output tho? (cuz ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i've seen a collection of AI art got sold for more than 4000 copies.... for 20$ or some ♥♥♥♥.) it's not even your customized tool, unlike how people get creative with existing JS frameworks. whatever they spew isn't creative either, all i see is a not just same art style, or emotionless nsfw arts.

it's like that game "dreamworld" but worse.

They shouldn't, of course. This whole thing just brings us back to what we should never have forgotten:

That art is a creative endeavor and not a career.

Yes, but to have more time for art, artists use their passion for art to make it a professional career as well.
Artists usually were rewarded/paid for their job from the very beginning.

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Art isn't a career. Its a hobby. Making money from art is like your mum making money selling her baking, a small supplemental income.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Lord_Dweedle:

Art isn't a career. Its a hobby. Making money from art is like your mum making money selling her baking, a small supplemental income.

It can be both. For most passionate people it WILL be both.
In the past i am sure it would be extremely hard to draw only for fun.

[Pocahawtness]

I completely agree with OP.
I don't think this will affect artists at all. There will always be a demand for human art. The good thing about AI art is that it could well do what human artists have completely failed to do - make their art accessible to everyone.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pirate☠️Pocah:

I completely agree with OP.
I don't think this will affect artists at all. There will always be a demand for human art. The good thing about AI art is that it could well do what human artists have completely failed to do - make their art accessible to everyone.

I don't argue with your main points, but art already was accessible to everyone. Drawing tools are cheaper than ever and humanity doesn't aim exclusively at realism animore.

I just cannot see how having someone else making artworks by your commands making you feel like it's really your artworks you invested your time and emotions to - even from the position of low difficulty and accesibility of the art.

[Phirestar]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pirate☠️Pocah:

I completely agree with OP.
I don't think this will affect artists at all. There will always be a demand for human art. The good thing about AI art is that it could well do what human artists have completely failed to do - make their art accessible to everyone.

So essentially:

They’ve added an Easy mode to art.

[Michanicks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Phirestar:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Pirate☠️Pocah:

I completely agree with OP.
I don't think this will affect artists at all. There will always be a demand for human art. The good thing about AI art is that it could well do what human artists have completely failed to do - make their art accessible to everyone.

So essentially:

They’ve added an Easy mode to art.

You making it sound like a good thing. Congrats!

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mattmoo:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Lord_Dweedle:

Art isn't a career. Its a hobby. Making money from art is like your mum making money selling her baking, a small supplemental income.

Okay.

So do you think as an RPG gamer those games would be the same without good art designers and the like, do you think it's possible that you can create a game well without them?

Because if not, then art is actually a career and not just hobby, one would suspect.

Otherwise if it were only a hobby, no one would do it seriously since they won't get paid.

That would be, at least, one conclusion to come to when looking at this problem. I don't know what the answer is but it does seem that some level of artists may be necessary.

YouTube is a hobby. Some people go pro. Art is no different.