Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[doug]

Originalmente postado por Devsman:

Originalmente postado por doug:

You didn't answer the question.

Do you think people who make movies, video games, sculptures, novels, poetry and music shouldn't be paid? Are you entitled to other people's work for free? If you need a plumber, do you expect them to work for free? If you need a new phone, do you expect it to be given to you for free? Why?

I answered it just fine. The only thing you did was ignore the answer and repeat the question. Presenting both sculpting and plumbing as work, when the very post you were quoting pointed out that it shouldn't be.

Why is a creative pursuit not considered to be work? Why does it have no value?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

That's OK.

Lol why are you saying anything at all then? Just to appear clever? But if you were to actually engage, that would come crashing down in no time. That's why you only say a few vague words every time.

I've seen the comparisons and arguments. Engaging when people fundamentally misunderstand comparisons or how art is made is pointless.

I only have some much patience.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

Lol why are you saying anything at all then? Just to appear clever? But if you were to actually engage, that would come crashing down in no time. That's why you only say a few vague words every time.

I've seen the comparisons and arguments. Engaging when people fundamentally misunderstand comparisons or how art is made is pointless.

I only have some much patience.

Ah, another one of those weak generic attacks. You know you could also ask for clarification in such cases? Instead of simply dismissing everything you did not understand and judging the person.

You still did not answer my question: Why say anything at all then?

[Lupa]

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

That's OK.

Lol why are you saying anything at all then? Just to appear clever? But if you were to actually engage, that would come crashing down in no time. That's why you only say a few vague words every time.

No shade dude, I think you might just be easy to mess with.

[Michanicks]

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

I am not "nitpicking". You need to define things in order to discuss them. For example, take a concept like "God", or "love". I see lots of people going into discussions about these things, without ever defining them. And they don't seem to think that is a problem. But there is a good chance that your idea of God, or of love, is completely different from mine. And if we don't look at those terms more carefully, we're just going to misunderstand each other the whole time.

Oh my unspecified undefined god, you truly don't see the meaning behind the words people putting. You'd better use that time to actually draw if you want to be an artist so much, how often do you see people who define every single item and being before discussing things in the internet? Is ai prompting so quick, effortless and easy you have too much of free time and don't know what you can waste it on?

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

How are they different? They don't seem very different to me.

Of course they don't to you, because you don't know how artists work, you've already shown that through your comments in this thread.

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

It is obvious that the 3D printer does a lot of work which the hand sculptor has to do himself.

Man, i hope you sitting so you not gonna fall down after realisation, but 3D-modelling is a sculpting on its own. People who create such works considered a legit 3D-artists. There is no sane person who would call 3D-sculpting not a real sculpting, And that's even without printing, because printing is taking it even further and creating a 3D-model in right format fit enough to printer to recognize it and tuning it the right way with right materials. So it's still a sculpting (3D-modelling) but while taking a step further. I've seen how that stuff works in person and you only speculating and assuming.

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

So if your argument against using AI is that it takes almost no effort, then the same could be said here. Yes, the 3D printing artist still has to do part of the work, but considerably less than the hand sculptor.

Less than hand sculptor? Yes, maybe.
Considerably less than hand sculptor? Considering to what? Both sculptor doing the whole job of creating their models, they just go for it by different means. They still take close to 100% on their artistic part to create an artwork, that's what is considerable enough.

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

So if your argument against using AI is that it takes almost no effort...

Where do you see an argument against using AI, it's an argument against considering AI users artist, i don't want to take away their toys, AI may be nice to play around as long as people don't try to have their cake and eat it too by pretending they are creating something worthwhile while not putting the fair amount of effort in it. It's like wanting to be a bodybuilder without going to the gym and while eating junk- and fast-food.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

peoples like Iankaras only defend A.I because they're lazy peoples that can't put up a good arguments.

''having basic english understanding to create A.I prompt take efforts''

you might as well force a broom down your own ass and call yourself a witch at this point.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Originalmente postado por Michanicks:

how often do you see people who define every single item and being before discussing things in the internet?

Not quite often enough. That's why those discussions are utterly pointless.

Originalmente postado por Michanicks:

Man, i hope you sitting so you not gonna fall down after realisation, but 3D-modelling is a sculpting on its own. People who create such works considered a legit 3D-artists. There is no sane person who would call 3D-sculpting not a real sculpting, And that's even without printing, because printing is taking it even further and creating a 3D-model in right format fit enough to printer to recognize it and tuning it the right way with right materials. So it's still a sculpting (3D-modelling) but while taking a step further. I've seen how that stuff works in person and you only speculating and assuming.

Is this really so hard for you to understand? I would think it is quite easy. Making a sculpture by hand is obviously a LOT different from just modeling it digitally. Anyone can see that, you're making it sound like it requires an art degree.

Originalmente postado por Michanicks:

Less than hand sculptor? Yes, maybe.
Considerably less than hand sculptor? Considering to what? Both sculptor doing the whole job of creating their models, they just go for it by different means. They still take close to 100% on their artistic part to create an artwork, that's what is considerable enough.

That "close to 100%" is your opinion only, and you haven't provided any basis for it. The 3D printing could be compared to mass production, fully automated. Are you trying to say that there is NO artistic value in the process of hand crafting itself?

[Michanicks]

Originalmente postado por The Cereal Killer:

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

Actually, it will be the other way around. AI generators are already getting hit with lawsuits over not getting permission from artists to feed their art into the AI. There's also ways to ♥♥♥♥ with the metadata to make the AI completely useless.

All true but hey if people are so against it why not just you know not use it? Simples

Because it's takes away the process of creation, so for people who are passionate about art it's meaningless. I've tried to use AI for few days in last year, it was fun for few days, but got old very fast. It's a instant gratification, like a getting "you won!" message in videogame without actually playing it.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Anyone against A.I. at this point are nothing but monetary gains same for anyone for

it's all about $$$$

no one cares about the greater good anymore

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Originalmente postado por Fumo Bnnuy n Frends:

Anyone against A.I. at this point are nothing but monetary gains same for anyone for

it's all about $$$$

no one cares about the greater good anymore

I don't even make money from my art and I still find peoples who say that A.I art take effort to be dishonest and pretentious.

the only exception I'd say would be peoples like Angel , if someone at least take the A.I artwork and transform it throught graphic design then yeah , there is merits in this and it's fine.

but the prompting itself is merely a game of patience and like I said the result and ammount of time put into it depend entirely on the quality of the A.I generative model more then the quality of prompter.

[permanent name]

Originalmente postado por Fumo Bnnuy n Frends:

Anyone against A.I. at this point are nothing but monetary gains same for anyone for

it's all about $$$$

no one cares about the greater good anymore

but the greater profit lay in perpetuating the greater good, so it clearly isn't about capital either.

maybe it's about dumb people feeling smart and smart people feeling dumb, forever?

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Originalmente postado por 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

peoples like Iankaras only defend A.I because they're lazy peoples that can't put up a good arguments.

You think I'm "defending AI"? Lol. You really can't imagine that people are doing anything other than attacking or defending things? Because that's how you do it, amirite?

[permanent name]

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

Originalmente postado por 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

peoples like Iankaras only defend A.I because they're lazy peoples that can't put up a good arguments.

You think I'm "defending AI"? Lol. You really can't imagine that people are doing anything other than attacking or defending things? Because that's how you do it, amirite?

well if the world were fair you'd both be banned for naming and shaming now and I'd be banned for backseat moderating for saying so.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

Originalmente postado por 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

peoples like Iankaras only defend A.I because they're lazy peoples that can't put up a good arguments.

You think I'm "defending AI"? Lol. You really can't imagine that people are doing anything other than attacking or defending things? Because that's how you do it, amirite?

you keep saying it's take efforts to create simple basic english prompt , this is a still a defensive stance about A.I artwork no matter how you try to walk out of it.

I even gave you an example , a simple prompt that even a 9 years old kid could have come up with and bing image creator actually created something that look more details then anything that even a professional could make using the same ammount of time that I needed to make this prompt even when you consider all of the automated functions of photoshop.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Originalmente postado por permanent name:

Originalmente postado por lankaras:

You think I'm "defending AI"? Lol. You really can't imagine that people are doing anything other than attacking or defending things? Because that's how you do it, amirite?

well if the world were fair you'd both be banned for naming and shaming now and I'd be banned for backseat moderating for saying so.

That's a very strange definition of "fair". Why are you even saying this?