Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

you should read the definition of cherry picking because that is what at least half of your post does.

https://www.developgoodhabits.com/cherry-picking/

No it does not. Maybe read it yourself, because you seem a bit confused about what it means exactly.

[Michanicks]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

That is... partially true I'd say. You need to know about lighting and perspective when using Photoshop, because it mostly will not do that for you. But 3D modeling + rendering software will.

What? Why did you bring 3D for this particular part of discussion? It makes as much sence as saying that RL sculptors don't need knowledge for perspective and lighting because real life and human eye perception will do everything for them. 2D artworks and 3D artworks are VERY different things compared to all 2D mediums on their own including digital and traditional and all 3D mediums including digital and traditional.

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

Anyone can use it in a simple way, and get at least "something" as a result. But that result might not be great. More advanced users teach the AI how to render by feeding it a selected set of images. And there's parameters which you can tweak and so on.

Riiiiight, it's reminds me of when commissioners show artist references to ask them to emulate some aspects of them, and, surprise, they are still a commissioners after that, they don't become an artists.

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

Well, when IS it "not the thing anymore"? Where is that line? That is what we are trying to determine. And I think it is quite arbitrary.

It's not my concern, because that line is so-o-o-o far away from asking someone else to do stuff instead of you that you don't even need to seach for exact pixel-perfect border of definition, because it's obvious that someone did the job for you, then you didn't do that exact job.

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

A painter might say: "Clicking a button once to make the whole canvas green? Even with options to have gradients and patterns and so on? That's not painting anymore! The program does it for you!"

Well, if you comparing results of bucketing the canvas for results nobody sane would even call an actual drawing with an AI image that already has characters and full render on it, then i'm gonna pass, i'm just unable to beat such amazing arguments.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

saying that prompting art take more effort then creating digital art is as a terrible take.

Well I did not say that. Nor was I "cherry picking" in my other comment. Maybe you should use an AI program to interpret comments for you.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

you don't sound like someone who worked with Krita at all.

with a painting or editing program you still have to Understand the program interface , getting used to your digital pen sensitivity , getting used to the different virtual brushes , understanding how to actually draw because the program still doesn't automate everything , you still have to do a decent ammount of work with digital arts , even when it's come to just simple graphics designs.

the peoples who put the most efforts in A.I Arts are the programmers that coded it and the artist that created the arts from which the program made use to build it's database.

if the only thing you do is prompting , you're not doing any real works , anyone who can read and know what to type can get the same result as you using the same A.I models , there is no skills required.

saying A.I prompting takes efforts is like saying that a google search also take any efforts , it does but it's on a scale that is insignificant that it is not worth mentioning.

now if you talk about those Hybrid A.I artist (peoples that combine A.I art with traditional arts and graphic designing) then now I'd say these peoples put much more work and values in their arts then simple ''A.I prompters''

You can use Photoshop or MS paint without knowing anything and get a basic result. Or you can get good at using them and get better results. AI is not much different in that regard. It will make mistakes or draw things which you don't want, or doesn't draw things which you DO want. So unless you are ok with a high level of randomness or errors, it will still take effort to use effectively.

no it is not , you're insinuating things that you clearly understimate.

at this point talking with you is unproductive , your arguments if full of holes that you can't even see yourself.

if Photoshop is so easy then go on , make me a photorealistic poney under 5 minutes just like an A.I prompt can do and prove me wrong then.

[permanent name]

those greedy artists wanting to get paid for programming the bots to replace them.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

an artist can take days and weeks to produce a relatively good pieces of arts.

a prompter could potential only need a few minutes to generates as many images he need to pick a good one if his comptuter is fast enough or have access to a servers that does.

that is not efforts , the results depend enterely on the quality of the A.I model and how fast the computer can generate it , the efforts doesn't come from the prompter.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

What? Why did you bring 3D for this particular part of discussion? It makes as much sence as saying that RL sculptors don't need knowledge for perspective and lighting because real life and human eye perception will do everything for them. 2D artworks and 3D artworks are VERY different things compared to all 2D mediums on their own including digital and traditional and all 3D mediums including digital and traditional.

Why not? You said that "digital" is very different from AI and is still art. 3D modeling is digital.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

Riiiiight, it's reminds me of when commissioners show artist references to ask them to emulate some aspects of them, and, surprise, they are still a commissioners after that, they don't become an artists.

And if a commissioner asks an artist for a piece and the artist uses AI to create it? Does the artist become a not-artist then?

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

It's not my concern, because that line is so-o-o-o far away from asking someone else to do stuff instead of you that you don't even need to seach for exact pixel-perfect border of definition, because it's obvious that someone did the job for you, then you didn't do that exact job.

Then you should also not care about who is an "artist" or not. You can't make that claim without providing a valid basis for it. Just being an "executor" does not make you an artist, we have already established that before.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

Well, if you comparing results of bucketing the canvas for results nobody sane would even call an actual drawing with an AI image that already has characters and full render on it, then i'm gonna pass, i'm just unable to beat such amazing arguments.

You said that it was about "putting in a lot of effort" or not. Digital does a lot of things for you which would take a lot of effort for a real painter. You don't seem to care about that, but you do when it is about AI.

[Michanicks]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

you don't sound like someone who worked with Krita at all.

with a painting or editing program you still have to Understand the program interface , getting used to your digital pen sensitivity , getting used to the different virtual brushes , understanding how to actually draw because the program still doesn't automate everything , you still have to do a decent ammount of work with digital arts , even when it's come to just simple graphics designs.

the peoples who put the most efforts in A.I Arts are the programmers that coded it and the artist that created the arts from which the program made use to build it's database.

if the only thing you do is prompting , you're not doing any real works , anyone who can read and know what to type can get the same result as you using the same A.I models , there is no skills required.

saying A.I prompting takes efforts is like saying that a google search also take any efforts , it does but it's on a scale that is insignificant that it is not worth mentioning.

now if you talk about those Hybrid A.I artist (peoples that combine A.I art with traditional arts and graphic designing) then now I'd say these peoples put much more work and values in their arts then simple ''A.I prompters''

You can use Photoshop or MS paint without knowing anything and get a basic result. Or you can get good at using them and get better results. AI is not much different in that regard. It will make mistakes or draw things which you don't want, or doesn't draw things which you DO want. So unless you are ok with a high level of randomness or errors, it will still take effort to use effectively.

So many talented and skilled AI users and not a single one of them is able to "draw" characters holding a real and decent looking firearm (without abusing img2img).

[Michanicks]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

an artist can take days and weeks to produce a relatively good pieces of arts.

a prompter could potential only need a few minutes to generates as many images he need to pick a good one if his comptuter is fast enough or have access to a servers that does.

that is not efforts , the results depend enterely on the quality of the A.I model and not the prompter.

And don't forget about months and years of studying basics, learning knowledge, improving skills and getting actual expeirence, AI users always forgetting about that and bringing only how many hours they are rerolling their prompts by changing words there and there until random gets it good enough. They want instant gratification.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

You can use Photoshop or MS paint without knowing anything and get a basic result. Or you can get good at using them and get better results. AI is not much different in that regard. It will make mistakes or draw things which you don't want, or doesn't draw things which you DO want. So unless you are ok with a high level of randomness or errors, it will still take effort to use effectively.

So many talented and skilled AI users and not a single one of them is able to "draw" characters holding a real and decent looking firearm (without abusing img2img).

Umm this is like half-sarcastic? You're saying that that is actually so? In that case it supports my point. AI is pretty good but it isn't THAT good.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Iankaras if you want to argue go on but nothing of what you said have any values.

I'l repeat a bit myself , if Photoshoping is so easy then go on , PROVE IT ,

take a camera , open photoshop and film yourself drawing a realistic looking poney in under 5 minutes just like what the average online generated A.I prompt require.

if this is not something you can demonstrate or have someone demonstrate for you then all of your words are purely logical fallacy and you're only diggin yourself more by looping your own weak arguments.

[Doctor Opta]

Yeah how dare those talented people try and make money from their work which allows AI art to exist

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 🍋 Lemonfed 🍋:

Iankaras if you want to argue go on but nothing of what you said have any values.

I'l repeat a bit myself , if Photoshoping is so easy then go on , PROVE IT ,

take a camera , open photoshop and film yourself drawing a realistic looking poney in under 5 minutes just like what the average online generated A.I prompt require.

if this is not something you can demonstrate or have someone demonstrate for you then all of your words are purely logical fallacy and you're only diggin yourself more by looping your own weak arguments.

I don't want to argue *with you*. Because it is clear that you are not understanding what I am saying and don't want to put in any effort. Trying to attack me with your general statements is weak. The other person is doing a much better job.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lankaras:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Michanicks:

So many talented and skilled AI users and not a single one of them is able to "draw" characters holding a real and decent looking firearm (without abusing img2img).

Umm this is like half-sarcastic? You're saying that that is actually so? In that case it supports my point. AI is pretty good but it isn't THAT good.

using A.I is not efforts , the results depend entirely on the quality of the A.I model and not the prompter.

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

real world examples , this cat girl took me only 5 minutes to get ... all I had to do is write adult Cat girl wearing a kimono.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3129131874

art I made myself , I spent hours researching faces and drawing and fixing and drawing and coloring and shading , I finished this piece and I was mentality tired and exshausted.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2962967091

if you still think A.I promting take as much efforts then hand made arts then your just a goofball that is not capable of emphaty or understanding.