Im so sick and tired of greedy artists trying to halt AI Art

[Millennial_KiwiGamer]

AI Art is the ultimate equalizer in the sense that it allows anyone to put in a description of what they want and then they get that, or something near enough.

It's fantastic for users. It gets rid of needing to commission every little thing saving $$ for the average bob. Not everyone is made of money to be paying artists tons of money for a picture that might take days to make when you can just roll the generator a few times and get something of equal if not better quality than the artist themselves.

The "compromise" argument is also hilarious. Anyone who pays an artist OR uses a generator is compromising because they're relying on a third party to make their vision.

AI Art Good. Greedy Artist bad. :)

[Michanicks]

引用自 dominikrni：

god i hope we don't get ai generated music

The only reason AI companies don't mess with music because they know they will get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by music copyrighters. So these people picked the medium they will not get punished for messing with.

[MeowDread]

引用自 Michanicks：

引用自 dominikrni：

god i hope we don't get ai generated music

The only reason AI companies don't mess with music because they know they will get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by music copyrighters. So these people picked the medium they will not get punished for messing with.

real

[🍋 Lemonfed 🍋]

引用自 Yew Nough：

AI art sources its material from other peoples art/images, and it's not copyright infringement if what was stolen has become fully unrecognizable when compared to the source material.

So the best medium would be to find out what percentage of reference an AI can 'take' before it becomes infringement and legally stay below that number as a base.

...or deal with litigation.

it's like any other artwork , it's only a copyright infrigment if it's look too close and similar to an already made copyrighted artwork , this is something which is not set in stone and is a case by case scenario and usually goes beyond just having a similar art style.

it's like if you where to publish a comic done by an A.I and this A.I decided to just Draw Batman the same exact way that Frank Miller drew it in his work then it would be a copyright infrigment if you tried to publish it , not matter how the A.I came to produce it.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 lankaras：

Like autotune?

Autotune isn't AI.

Why not? It's at least close.

[Yew Nough]

引用自 Michanicks：

引用自 Yew Nough：

AI art sources its material from other peoples art/images, and it's not copyright infringement if what was stolen has become fully unrecognizable when compared to the source material.

So the best medium would be to find out what percentage of reference an AI can 'take' before it becomes infringement and legally stay below that number as a base.

...or deal with litigation.

It doesn't work like that. It isn't collage, it's just remembers how othen do some patterns repeats for particular keywords and build associations of this.

It still uses source images to make its image.

Some which happens to be copyrighted.

Fancy language doesn't change that.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

引用自 dominikrni：

引用自 lankaras：

Like autotune?

I meant more something like putting a prompt and then AI generates an entire audio file, using data from other pieces of music (similar to AI images)

Would be interesting tbh. If it can do it with images, why not music?

[Belle Delphine Targaryen!]

What if we had an AI president?

That would be cool

[MeowDread]

引用自 lankaras：

引用自 dominikrni：

I meant more something like putting a prompt and then AI generates an entire audio file, using data from other pieces of music (similar to AI images)

Would be interesting tbh. If it can do it with images, why not music?

because most of the world doesn't wanna hear bad generic music #231245 made by a soulless computer.

Arts (such as paintings, music, literature) has emotion put into it by a human, AI can't do that as it has no emotional capability.

[MeowDread]

引用自 Belle Delphine Targaryen!：

What if we had an AI president?

That would be cool :otwdpower:

Lets just hope the AI president doesn't learn from GladOS, or SHODAN, or any fictional genocidal robot

[Ulfrinn]

Some girl got mad at me for no reason and then started saying stuff to try to make me mad. I was a bit confused, but she was a self proclaimed graphics artist. I guess I didn't return an interest in her or something. Anyway, after that, I just told her I liked AI art and she got absolutely livid. It was kind of funny.

[hsf_]

If we're talking music then AI shouldn't be used. Not unless it's some lost work by a deceased artist.

For example if Elvis Presley had written a song, lyrics and music but never recorded it then I don't see a problem with AI showing us what it would sound like. But just creating brand new music with an AI is a bit ♥♥♥♥ imo.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

引用自 Belle Delphine Targaryen!：

What if we had an AI president?

That would be cool :otwdpower:

UK has one.

[MeowDread]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

Some girl got mad at me for no reason and then started saying stuff to try to make me mad. I was a bit confused, but she was a self proclaimed graphics artist. I guess I didn't return an interest in her or something. Anyway, after that, I just told her I liked AI art and she got absolutely livid. It was kind of funny.

damn, that girl is based

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

引用自 dominikrni：

引用自 lankaras：

Would be interesting tbh. If it can do it with images, why not music?

because most of the world doesn't wanna hear bad generic music #231245 made by a soulless computer.

Arts (such as paintings, music, literature) has emotion put into it by a human, AI can't do that as it has no emotional capability.

You say that, but there's lots of good AI art which you would appreciate just the same. You would have no idea if it wasn't mentioned to you that it was made by AI.

Autotune sounds bad but it is used quite a lot right now and lots of people are not opposed to listening to it.

[Michanicks]

引用自 lankaras：

引用自 Michanicks：

Artist - is person, who creates artworks.

Create? What does that mean? Is coming up with the concept part of the creation?

As i said, there is no absolutely hard rules, because it's not some technical job, it's a people's creativity, so rules are very vague and i can be definetely sure only for existence of one of them: artist creating artworks. Not ordering someone else to make it, it would make him a commissioner. That's just obvious.

引用自 lankaras：

引用自 Michanicks：

There is no absolutely hard law or rule for defenition of artist because it's not a technical thing, it's goes far to the emotional side of the issue.

So that implies that it is not just the "executor". People are saying "AI can't convey meaning" and such things. So that points to the *before execution* part of the process.

Well, no, executions is still on the artist, even if execution is NOT all the thing depending on artist you can just except you can go without it.

Abstract example: being a programmes is not only about writing code, but if person does something only related to programmers (come up with idea for programm) without actually doing the most important part - writing the code, he isn't a programmer.

引用自 lankaras：

引用自 Michanicks：

Before raise of popularity for AI you would not ever have to add awkward "... by himself".
It's like saying that "football players is a person who plays football by himself (without robot doing everything instead of him by his vague orders)".

There have been lots of these steps already. Any kind of automation. You can draw on a PC and print it. A sculptor can use a 3D printer. Etcetera.

It's not an automation, lmao, it's a replacement.

If you draw on PC and print it, you just transfer the same picture from one medium to another.
If sculptor uses 3D printer, he still codes how exactly, where and how much of every volume should be placed. He can do it with wood, marble, stone, plastiline, he's just picked 3D printer.

The things you described is a question of medium.
If artist/commissioner relationships is like a cook/client, then sculptor using a 3D-printer instead of using clay or 3D-programm is like cook that roast a chicken instead of boiling or braising it.