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My history teacher says the real ancient war was nothing like games.
He said the gamers know nothing about real war in ancient time and

the real ancient war wasn't anything close from what we see in games.

he gave an example: ancient war fare was all about screaming at distance and
throwing weapons(even an arrow) or whatever they could grab finding from dropped on ground. such as a helmet

He also said, games does not represent that a lot of people actually play dead and

they would run away when enemies get close, rising from dead.
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Devsman 20/abr./2023 às 6:18 
Escrito originalmente por JustSomeLego:
Well, yeah. It's a video game. It's supposed to be fun, not realistic.

Did you think games were an accurate represention of anything?
Well, I suppose there are genres that use it as a selling point.

But shooter and strategy are not among them.
Mauserich 20/abr./2023 às 6:50 
I'm not very familiar with the subject, but I think you have to make a distinction. When it comes to prehistoric wars, I would agree. Prehistoric wars were about the protection of attractive territories and tribal disputes. The whole tribe was involved and nobody wanted to risk their lives unnecessarily.

I once read an article of the warfare of the indigenous people of Papua New Guinea, who lived relatively unaffected tribal life until the middle of the last century. There the wars were more ritualistic. They marched, threatened, threw javelins, and made minor attacks, but all were careful not to hurt themselves. There were minor injuries, but very rarely were people killed for going too far.

This may have changed with the division of labor in the military and professionalization and more effective weapons in antiquity, where rulers usually operated in a relatively safe area. That's my logic.

Therefore, one had to distinguish between prehistoric and ancient warfare. Especially when you think of the many descriptions and finds of Roman armies and the generals of Caesar and Alexander the Great.
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AROCK!!! 20/abr./2023 às 8:30 
Escrito originalmente por MinionJoe:

Escrito originalmente por ÁROCK!!!:
The OP is talking about what his teacher said, which in this case is 100% correct.

Never question authority if you agree with what the authority says. [no citation needed]
Lol...no need to question when you know for a fact what they are saying is completely accurate.
Spynion 20/abr./2023 às 8:32 
Escrito originalmente por Kana:
He said the gamers know nothing about real war in ancient time and

the real ancient war wasn't anything close from what we see in games.

he gave an example: ancient war fare was all about screaming at distance and
throwing weapons(even an arrow) or whatever they could grab finding from dropped on ground. such as a helmet

He also said, games does not represent that a lot of people actually play dead and

they would run away when enemies get close, rising from dead.
people didnt want to die heroically in battle? impossible!!
Vinegaroon 20/abr./2023 às 8:32 
Lots of standing in lines with pointed sticks and shield. Also sieges.
RRW359 20/abr./2023 às 8:43 
Don't forget that most soldiers died of exposure or disease before even getting to the battlefield.
>games arent like real life
imagine my shook
Soceris 20/abr./2023 às 9:03 
Escrito originalmente por RRW359:
Don't forget that most soldiers died of exposure or disease before even getting to the battlefield.
Isn't that a bit too broad of a statement to say for every army in those times?
Goose 20/abr./2023 às 9:21 
next you're going to tell me that british "people" aren't like in harry potter.
GlaceonChireiden 20/abr./2023 às 9:30 
Escrito originalmente por Goose:
next you're going to tell me that british "people" aren't like in harry potter.
I have some bad news for you...
Goose 20/abr./2023 às 9:32 
Escrito originalmente por JustSomeLego:
Escrito originalmente por Goose:
next you're going to tell me that british "people" aren't like in harry potter.
I have some bad news for you...
oh no
jaydciv 20/abr./2023 às 9:45 
I bet that teacher is a crazy marxist who hates people having fun with videogames and also wanting to rewrite history and acting like theyre pretend to know something or acting like he was there. Of course videogames are videogames, its called escapism and also a lot of war movies exagerate with some info about historical events. Is that teacher from california, new york, or united kingdom or australian?
Sam 20/abr./2023 às 9:54 
Escrito originalmente por Kana:
He said the gamers know nothing about real war in ancient time
Your teacher should know better than to generalize. That's a logical fallacy. I taught history at university, read about military history all my life, and I'm a gamer. I bet there are a few others here who know a bit about the topic as well.

Escrito originalmente por Kana:
and the real ancient war wasn't anything close from what we see in games.
No ♥♥♥♥, Sherlock (your teacher, not you). As others have already stated: these are games, they're fictional, and, of course, they're not historically accurate. Your history teacher really enjoys his logical fallacies: this time it's a truism.

In one post I read about Oliver Stone's Alexander. I really like this one despite quite a few inaccuracies such as the Pharos or the depiction of the Persian army, but at least Stone tried to be accurate.

Escrito originalmente por Kana:
he gave an example: ancient war fare was all about screaming at distance and
throwing weapons(even an arrow) or whatever they could grab finding from dropped on ground. such as a helmet
I would really like to know what your teacher said in detail. It's always difficult to judge solely on reported speech. "Ancient warfare" is a very vague description. Mesopotamian or Assyrian armies were extremely professional, so were the Egyptians and later the Greeks and Romans. Sure, Gauls and Germanic tribes weren't that organized, but especially the latters made up for that with their furor teutonicus, which was feared by the Romans, especially after the Cimbri and Teutons had invaded Italy.

However, that brings me to another issue: the distinction between Celts and Germanic tribes goes back to Julius Caesar. He had waged an illegal war against the Celts, becoming incredibly rich in the process. As he returned, he had to face the senate and his political opponents. His career could have well ended there. Thus, instead of reporting that he hadn't been able to defeat all of the Northern tribes, he claimed that he had defeated all the Celts and that the river Rhine was the natural border between Celts and Germanic tribes. It didn't matter that he also reported about Celts and Germanic tribes frequently crossing the Rhine on horseback which made his claim rather obsolete, for example. Roman historiography wasn't about telling the truth, whatever this may be, but it served a rather pragmatic, propagandistic purpose.

Escrito originalmente por Kana:
He also said, games does not represent that a lot of people actually play dead and they would run away when enemies get close, rising from dead.
Again, no ♥♥♥♥, Sherlock (not directed against you, but against your teacher). I read about such behaviour in the German Peasant Revolt, for example. However, you have to take into account that the peasants were highly disorganized, which was also denoted in the term Haufen usually used to describe them. Their armies were slaughtered by professionals who had previously fought in the ongoing Italian Wars. In some instances, peasants feinted to be dead and waited for nightfall in order to escape. However, many were caught and executed before the were able to flee. This example isn't from antiquity, but from the Renaissance, but it clearly elucidates the subject matter.

More professional armies had their own way of treating cowardice: take the Roman decimation, for example. Simply to generalize and say that this was the norm is a bit too simplistic.

When you're teaching, you have to be highly self-aware. The teaching situation is usually strictly hierarchial, with the teacher constantly babbling and the pupils or students writing down everything right after the horse's mouth. Here in Germany, for example, you can become a teacher with a 4.3 grade in your first Staatsexamen - that means a lot of deficits you have to cover up later as teacher. Of course, you cannot ask your teacher to show you his certificates and tell you his grades, but a little bit of transparency wouldn't hurt.
Neurotic Panda 20/abr./2023 às 9:54 
Escrito originalmente por Q-T_3.14.exe:
Pfft! Every one knows that the Sunset Invasion aka Aztec Invasion of Europe happened. :steamfacepalm:

i saw that episode on the history channel. i believe it had something to do with aliens too. really good stuff. They also had bigfoot secretly take out enemy troops.

Escrito originalmente por jaydciv:
I bet that teacher is a crazy marxist who hates people having fun with videogames and also wanting to rewrite history and acting like theyre pretend to know something or acting like he was there. Of course videogames are videogames, its called escapism and also a lot of war movies exagerate with some info about historical events. Is that teacher from california, new york, or united kingdom or australian?

lol.. a teacher says video games don't portray how real wars actually were (facts).. and you come up with. teacher is a crazy marxist, hates people having fun, wants to rewrite history, has delusions that they were in ancient wars, and they are from some random place you don't like for whatever reasons.

i mean.. it makes sense to me... :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

welcome to steam OT...
RRW359 20/abr./2023 às 10:08 
Escrito originalmente por jaydciv:
I bet that teacher is a crazy marxist who hates people having fun with videogames and also wanting to rewrite history and acting like theyre pretend to know something or acting like he was there. Of course videogames are videogames, its called escapism and also a lot of war movies exagerate with some info about historical events. Is that teacher from california, new york, or united kingdom or australian?
Are you disputing any of the facts they gave to OP or are you just assuming stuff based on them giving factual statements?
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