How every Vegan/Meat Eater debate goes

[UtahGlazer3000]

Cringey Meat Eater posts photo of burger, thinks it's hilarious.
Vegan copes and seethes.
Meat Eater thinks he did something.

[Liquid Inc]

Publicado originalmente por aka:

People who chose to eat meat in 1st world nations are absolutely blind. Period.

and you eating the children of plants is morally acceptable? Because that's what seeds are....

[NOT penis man gaming]

Publicado originalmente por Liquid Inc:

Publicado originalmente por Cinnamon_Bananas:

since it uses up very little space, you could bury it pretty easily, yeah. middle of somewhere like new mexico could work too. and since if we wanted something like solar panels or fossil fuels reliabely we would have to get resources from off earth, you could just dispense it into space instead

little space? You really don't know how it's stored do you?

I'd go read up about just how much of that stuff is actually made per year, and once made it has to be kept secure and properly stored... It actually requires security, as well as power..... It's not just dig a hole and throw it in...

You can't throw it into space either, A) we've got too much of it to do so, and B) it'll eventually re-enter our atmosphere again because of the gravitational pull...
And we certainly don't have the ability to throw it any further away.... Not in the quantities Nuclear Power creates....

i DID research, in fact, and enough to know thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
thanks for tellign me to research, it would've let me known your making ♥♥♥♥ up if i hadnt already


we do NOT have too much to eject into space

also, it only takes a few hundred years to become fully harmless.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Publicado originalmente por Liquid Inc:

Publicado originalmente por aka:

People who chose to eat meat in 1st world nations are absolutely blind. Period.

and you eating the children of plants is morally acceptable? Because that's what seeds are....

I mean if its editable I highly freaking doubt one without access to basics of the 1st world are going to care, food is food at that point, the whole vegan VS human diet in of itself is entirely a 1st world only issue, I highly doubt a vegan protesting in Africa would ever be listened to, maybe for the screams before they eat them but hey thats just me.

[Weimu]

Publicado originalmente por Liquid Inc:

Publicado originalmente por aka:

People who chose to eat meat in 1st world nations are absolutely blind. Period.

and you eating the children of plants is morally acceptable? Because that's what seeds are....

that's not even close to comparable, there are better ways to deconstruct vegan moralism than that

nobody on this earth would seriously believe it's immoral to eat seeds

[Bad Aim]

Publicado originalmente por Arkoyam:

Vegans are politically-motivated and twisted in the head. There is no way a normal person would be a vegan, they are not born that way to begin with.

Normal people just enjoy their lives. It's only the vegans who get in their faces and preach.

I disagree. Some vegans are vegan because they are forced to. They might not have any problems with eating meat or eating products that come from animals. But due to their medical history, they may not be able to handle those products in their system.

So, not ALL vegans are vegan because they want to be. Some have that lifestyle forced upon them.

[Liquid Inc]

Publicado originalmente por Cinnamon_Bananas:

i DID research, in fact, and enough to know thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
thanks for tellign me to research, it would've let me known your making ♥♥♥♥ up if i hadnt already


we do NOT have too much to eject into space

also, it only takes a few hundred years to become fully harmless.

With your new found "research" (which you didn't do for obvious reasons) you should realise the issue's with everything you've said so far in your posts.

Did you factor the fuel for those rockets, and the damage they'd do to the environment in your "research"? or did you forget that part?
Yeah, we do have too much to eject into space. The amount of rocket launches we'd need to do so, for 60 years of Nuclear waste would be huge...

Publicado originalmente por Weimu:

that's not even close to comparable, there are better ways to deconstruct vegan moralism than that

nobody on this earth would seriously believe it's immoral to eat seeds

It's just as comparable.

Plants have a right to life, just as much as animals do.
Just as those seeds do.

If you can't accept that, that's on you, but it doesn't make it false.

[Bad Aim]

Publicado originalmente por Arkoyam:

As Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear has said, the cure for veganism is to throw bacon at them. He is right.

Have a taste of bacon, or particularly a good steak - you'll realise how delicious they are. And stop being f**king weird.

Publicado originalmente por Cernunnos:

Are you aware that there is a small population of people who are forced to become vegan because their bodies can not tolerate or handle certain foods?

I had a girlfriend who was like that. She had been in a very abusive relationship where her then husband forced her to go on extreme diets. This caused her body chemistry to change to the point where she was functionally a vegan. She loved meat. One of her favorite things was a big cheeseburger (homemade) with all the toppings, including bacon.

Whenever she ate and meat or dairy, she would become violently ill.

There was no "moral ground" for her. She wanted to eat meat. She loved cheese! She just couldn't eat any of it without getting sick.

That didn't stop her from sometimes making a big steak for herself every once in awhile. She did, and she did it knowing this was going to make her sick.

To quote myself as I assume you did not see my original post.

[Weimu]

Publicado originalmente por Liquid Inc:

Publicado originalmente por Weimu:

that's not even close to comparable, there are better ways to deconstruct vegan moralism than that

nobody on this earth would seriously believe it's immoral to eat seeds

It's just as comparable.

Plants have a right to life, just as much as animals do.
Just as those seeds do.

If you can't accept that, that's on you, but it doesn't make it false.

no, it's really not. plants are not complex life compared to animals. they can perceive and respond to certain sensations but compared to animals, they do not feel pain or at least not in the same way humans and animals understand and experience it. it is just not possible because they have neither a nervous system or a brain. and besides, if you truly believe that plants have a right to life and should not be eaten, then you basically believe humans should not continue on existing - we have to sustain ourselves some way or another. you can choose to eat plants or animals or both, but you have to pick something or you will die of starvation

[Bad Aim]

Publicado originalmente por Arkoyam:

Publicado originalmente por Cernunnos:

I disagree. Some vegans are vegan because they are forced to. They might not have any problems with eating meat or eating products that come from animals. But due to their medical history, they may not be able to handle those products in their system.

So, not ALL vegans are vegan because they want to be. Some have that lifestyle forced upon them.

Yeah, but I think very few are genuinely vegans for medical reasons, I have no problem with that. However from what I've witnessed these days is a lot of virtue signalling and forcing their political viewpoints onto others, so I feel safe to say that 95% of vegans are only in it just to be trendy and different. Jumping on the bandwagon. I hate those kind of people, if they even dare to get in my face when I'm enjoying my steak, expect to see a black eye in the mirror.

I would argue that percentage is closer to 98%, but I have no basis for that argument other than I happen to know what my ex went through to get to to the point of being vegan.

I am all about not forcing your viewpoints and beliefs onto other people, in all aspects of life and death.

[Maria]

Publicado originalmente por Erin:

Vegetable good, meat bad

Vegetables are bad, meats are bad, everything is bad.

because I'm fasting

[Lupinus Rictus]

Publicado originalmente por Arkoyam:

I hate those kind of people, if they even dare to get in my face when I'm enjoying my steak, expect to see a black eye in the mirror.

Lol calm down dear

[Rhila]

Vegans need to take pills and maybe these pills are not enough.

what shock me the most, is the non vegans who are making fun of vegans, and when i asked them about their diet, they don't eat vegetables or fruits.
what a disastrous diet. your diet is worse than any vegan diet.

[Liquid Inc]

Publicado originalmente por Weimu:

no, it's really not. plants are not complex life compared to animals. they can perceive and respond to certain sensations but compared to animals, they do not feel pain or at least not in the same way humans and animals understand and experience it.

That we currently understand. This is not a proven fact.

Publicado originalmente por Weimu:

it is just not possible because they have neither a nervous system or a brain.

That we currently understand or can see. The studies and investigating that has been done on plants is no where near deep enough to have a true understanding of what a seed or plant can feel.
"Grass" is known to be able to tell fellow plants that it is going to be, and now has been, cut.
It has that ability to forsee what is coming, and warn others.

That is a form of living intelligence, is it not?

What else can plants do that we simply do not understand or know?

Publicado originalmente por Weimu:

if you truly believe that plants have a right to life and should not be eaten, then you basically believe humans should not continue on existing - we have to sustain ourselves some way or another. you can choose to eat plants or animals or both, but you have to pick something or you will die of starvation

I believe it is personal choice on what you eat and what you don't as i said earlier. I have vegans in my family, but they chose it for their own reasons. They don't project it onto others, unlike those calling those who eat meat "blind" and other derogatory names.

[Ulfrinn]

Publicado originalmente por Vinegaroon:

Publicado originalmente por Ulfrinn:

How do you determine sentience?

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say the presence of a complex brain like structure is a good place to start

Side note plants have a form of nervous system it’s in their roots and it’s used to find water and stuff

You're still not being very definitive on the answer. "Complex" is subjective. What is complex enough? How is sentience measured to determine what has it? Many animals have a fairly basic brain structure. Chickens for example. There was even a chicken that survived having it's head cut off once, because a chunk of the brain stem was left intact and that's all a chicken needs to act and behave like a chicken. No higher brain functions necessary, just pure instinct and sensory input. Is that sentient?

[Vince ✟]

Miracle Mike! That was some chicken!