Half the wealth after divorce is stupid and unfair.

[Rhila]

Hello OT.

in my opinion the husband and the wife everyone of them should not take the other one money, it's ridiculous, who made this?? what a disaster they have done.

[Edge_Master]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Rootin_Tootin_Putin:

it's whhy you don't get married, especially in this day and age. just sleep around and have fun, get in a relationship sure but don't marry.

Don't forget to blame the falling birthrate on soy in the same breath as you tell people not to marry women.

because marriage simply isn't worth it these days. It may have been way back when but these days just keep things either casual or committed but no marriage. that's the way to do it.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ:

You aplyiong to many generalizations. Parneting happen during and not after. Majority of regular folks sacrifice for their families and many have to switch between work and family.

Like I said there are other examples when kids are raised by grandpa and grandma or nanny due to career involved on both ways.

Things are never fixed. Divorces are settled in court by lawyer strategies and has nothing to do with rest.

This is all true. The first thing I replied to was how a woman could be the adulterer and still get child support and the house. That's the context of my replies.

I'm going to tell you a secret I've learned having been through 5 divorces with children between myself, family, and friends.

The lawyers are going to sit you down and ask you what you want to do in this civil case.

It's a divorce. They're going to ask you what you want to do with the assets. They're going to ask you want you want to do with the children.

If you want custody of the kids, they're going to tell you the exact same damn thing I just said. And if you even hint that the other parent has similar designs. They're going to ask you to begin getting documentation that supports that you do the things I said more than the other parent.

And the more and more complicated it gets, the bigger and bigger and bigger the lawyer's wallet is going to get.

So, it's best not to lie about how much you contributed to what I already said.

Not only that, but it's going to get worse and worse and worse for your kids.

And when these truly very stupid family lawyers finally show you the paperwork they drew up, it's going to have all kinds of typos and missed parts of what you wanted. So you're going to have to go through it with them again, at your expense.

And then when you get to court, they're going to show up and the judge is going to get a gauge for how the case is going to go.

If it's an easy case, uncontested, the judge will make a ruling. If you both want custody, the judge is going to ask everyone but you, your ex, and the lawyers to leave the court room.

And that judge is going to tell you exactly what I just told you.

Bet on that.

My cousin is divorce layer. I know the "drill" , Im not personally involved, but just wanted to give my two cents in regard to the thread that cases in the end of the day are solved by lawyers and how well they make the case, and little to do with anything else.

[B]

Prenups exist

[Birds]

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Prenups exist

They can be nullified.

[B]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από RotFox:

Prenups exist

They can be nullified.

Not if they are properly written (Don't save a buck by cheaping out on a lawyer. It'll cost you 10 down the line)

[talemore]

Don't share everything to your partner. The bank is not allowed to give anything to your partner if you are the owner.

Marriage making you give half is made by having private assets. Even if you're not a businessman a shell company owning the house makes the company a person by law the owner of the house . That means even if you own the company the company own the house.

This Is why owning real estate but not using a company to own the real estate is like making a marriage with the bank and the bank wil take half of everything you own.

The company has no income and no expenses. It can not file for bankruptcy since it has nothing that financially make it fall into one except for the real estate(s). When the company turn bankrupt it's the company and not the CEO who is to be blamed. A divorce between the company and the bank happens where one partner is guilty to pay the damages to another.

When you make a loan it's a marriage with you and the bank. You promise to feed her, cloth her and give her what she need, not much different from a child support except for adults.

The bank has access to all you own since you share everything you own with the bank. When the banks have problem it's your problem. You're married with a loan giver and she's giving you time with her.
Love is fleeting and marriage has nothing to do with love. Marriage is trading. The families would set up marriage because both had assets like houses, farms, landlords. In these cases the marriage had function of combining wealth between families and marriage was a permanent act since it would cause war between the families if divorce. If countries cut their bond with each other where they're getting married promise to feed her cloth her and life support, war breaks out.

At what foundation were both married and what do you expect to get out of this trading agreement of assets? She and her family can not prove to she have any income assets and you as well can not prove to have any income or assets who provide income then both are bankrupt and this is sort of a good thing since both aren't paying but equally it's important both partners, in marriage partnership, in trading partnership are equals, otherwise one will need to pay the other for not having assets.

The divorce split of assets is because you haven't done your part of the agreement.

[B]

Bro, you got it all wrong! There's so much fake news in this passage, it's crazy. First of all, banks can totally have different rules when it comes to joint ownership in marriage. And just 'cause you got a shell company doesn't mean you're safe from getting split up. Plus, owning real estate without a company is not the same as a marriage with the bank. Companies have their own expenses and income, and they can even file for bankruptcy. And let's be real here, loans aren't marriages, and marriage isn't just some kind of business deal. Divorce is way more complicated than just one partner not keeping their end of the bargain.

[talemore]

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Bro, you got it all wrong! There's so much fake news in this passage, it's crazy. First of all, banks can totally have different rules when it comes to joint ownership in marriage. And just 'cause you got a shell company doesn't mean you're safe from getting split up. Plus, owning real estate without a company is not the same as a marriage with the bank. Companies have their own expenses and income, and they can even file for bankruptcy. And let's be real here, loans aren't marriages, and marriage isn't just some kind of business deal. Divorce is way more complicated than just one partner not keeping their end of the bargain.

Yes they are marriages, until death separate.
The dead do not pay debt. All marriages do not have the same rules. Filing bankruptcy must be made by the company, not something the bank decide. Spilt up of the company isn't possible since you don't own the entire company, you just own a part of it. It be absurd if Large capital companies are being split into two because the CEO got a divorce, shareholders become shareowner of the company and not the CEO. The CEO in return own shares becoming the owner of the company. Having a company on your own without a trading partner is being married to the bank. You're not owing the company on your own for the same reasons why marriages are made where two families will not be able to agree who own what assets as neither are owned by a single partner. When you have nobody you are married to the bank who give you loans and you feed her to make her survive.

[talemore]

Marriage between countries is an example why Europe can not help Africa but China can help Africa because they're not part of EU or USA. This is why getting married with another country means both partners promise to support each other and that's how EU and USA works. Marriage is about trading, one promise to support the other.
UK who is no longer part of EU can help states outside of these marriages of nations.

[Maria]

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Is that how it works in US?
so by default, you split all ur wealth with ur divorced partner?

How about signing up an agreement before you guys decide to marry?
something like
'If one day we decide to break up, we will only take what was ours.'

Kinda like a waiver?

*tfw I had to google that first

Yeah, more or less lol.

But I think it is not.. a common practice yet, so ppl might feel weirded out doing that.
it also could give the impression that you are 'wishing' for a divorce

[Devsman]

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Never married or will because 9 out of 10 marriages end up in the same situation every time.

The 50% thing is such a misleading statistic.

I mean, it's counting some goober who is on his eighth wife, eight times.

[Apollo702]

This post is for entertainment purposes only. It does not contain legal, financial or other forms of professional advice. Please consult with appropriate licensed professionals.


The 10 year barrier:

For most people in most jurisdictions the magic number is 10 years. Of course this can vary depending on where one lives and if one is in a bad situation they better hurry up and consult with a professional before that magic cut-off point. Seriously, if a marriage is on the rocks, the person who gets to that divorce attorney first(almost always the women) wins big.

It is like a surprise military strike. If one of those is well planned in advance it is possible for one side to utterly obliterate the other side before they even realize what is happening.

After the magic 10 year threshold- look out! Beyond that point it may not matter what people think, what fancy plans they had... The court is very likely to do what it's going to do. Pay up or go to jail!


BASIC STRATEGY:

In America there is a 50% divorce rate. There also are many who stick it out in misery. Heaven help those folks. Maybe even an expensive divorce might be superior.

So, a better life strategy than diving on the first warm body is to stay single. Now, if one happens to meet someone GREAT and the chemistry is there. That's different.

But for the masses who blindly assume that at a certain age they HAVE to be with someone and crank out the kids that is where the trouble starts. They force it and end up with years of misery and potentially get massacred in the divorce.

Don't get me started on how they come to Lost Wages by the plane loads looking to cheat and just what goes on. Use your imagination- but that should give a word of warning. See it in person to let that drive the point home.


A SURE LOTTERY WIN:

Many people fantasize about winning the lottery? Want to know how to lock in a million dollar+ payout?

Don't have a bad marriage.

Factor in just the direct money costs. For now, forget about intangibles such as misery. Total it all up from dating, to the marriage and then the divorce court massacre in which one could get stuck paying gobs of money for decades on end!

Rich and wealthy women are smart here. They marry for money. The high earning men are dumb as rocks. They try to impress women with their money- and then in divorce court they end up handing over $$$$$. A great example is Paul McCartney's 2nd wife got $500 million!

Even for the common middle class schmuck who isn't rich or wealthy. Do the math. It might be cheaper to have the finest hookers, a chef, chauffeur, maids... than a bad marriage that ends in a massacre.

Folks, if you gotta get married. Please be sure!!

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[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

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PRENUPS exist for a reason. Get them to sign one and stop complaining like a solution doesn't exist.

Seriously, this should be the end of the thread here but just wait for there to be 8+ pages of this ♥♥♥♥ since it's a controversial topic. Yay

Edit: (for the naysayers) Prenuptial agreements, if drawn up and executed correctly, are legally binding and are usually upheld in court. Don't skimp on lawyers if you think giving away half your wealth is an issue. The times where it's not upheld are when there are ridiculous provisions like no child support. Don't be an idiot about it and your prenup will be upheld.

80% of prenups are also written by people who aren't lawyers trying to save a buck and cheaping out..

Edit 2: page 3 in 45 minutes.

Edit 3: page 5 in 3 hours. Prenups have been completely dismissed and now "women bad" is the main discussion.

Edit 4: page numero 6 is full on how women get everything and how they don't deserve it. Feel free to move on with your life. It'll only get worse.

Edit5: page 7 parental custody. This thread is going through a divorce atm.

Final edit: page 8 in 6 hours. You can call me a prophet.

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And let's be honest, most of you don't have to worry about this at all.

prenups sadly dont hold ♥♥♥♥ if the woman can claim "signed under durress" which is some b.s. way of saying "he was afraid i was a gold digger and wouldn't marry me b/c fear of divorce and i proved him right entirely but still want half the ♥♥♥♥".

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

i feel like people should have requirements to get engange let alone married. Same for divorce outside of:
-domestic violence
-fear for life
-children in danger
-other's fault


in that it would help at least make things harder to go through the hoops. Most lazy people would flake. Rest who really want it would own up to it.