Do SPEARS not DESERVE to be in Games?

[HEROLEAS]

I have played many games and as far as i have experienced it....well,its painfully clear that spears which have great historical records for being staple of many global ancient armies have been unable to make their way or atleast not given enough attention in souls games and many other games like elder scrolls being excluded from being used in the game altogether except for the reikling spears which are morelike spear arrows. i totally understand how hard it is to bring out the truest potential of melee and ranged weapons in games where you have to program and design each thing from movesets to designs but Are the game developers just giving excuse for a low budget or are they afraid of giving it a shot and failing since many players have an IN-BUILT mindset to playing assassin or archer cause if you call only weilding a sword being a warrior class then they think of players as fools as a warrior is meant to be weapon from mind soul and body and and wield any weapon.

Long thing short are Spears so under-powered that it can't be put into games since it may be hard for players to use its fullest potential cause seikiro shows how well muscle memory works with a sword in hand. why hate spears give us some spears to play around with.

what do you guys think?

[Tonepoet]

Spears are in plenty of video games I'd say they're within like, the top five most popular low tech video game weapons, alongside bows, swords, bows and daggers. Way more popular than maces, whips, hammers and perhaps even axes. Insofar as legendary weapons goes, I think Gungnir is perhaps the most famous one that isn't a sword or the Artemis bow.

They are the signature weapon of dragoons and Cid Highwind in Final Fantasy.

The also in Secret of Mana and the other Seiken Densetsu games as one of the most useful weapon types after the sword. Most notably it is the signature weapon of Riez in Trials of Mana.

Diablo 2 and 3 have them as a weapon classes.

The Disgaea series features them, with them being the signature weapons of prominent characters like Krichevskoy and Etna, who had both wielded the legendary Longinus, who is a living spear character.

In Fate/Stay Night there's a lancer class that uses spears who uses Gáe Bolg as his signature weapon.

Speaking of lances, Arthur from Ghosts 'n Goblins throws lances if that counts.

Gwedolyn of Odin Sphere wields the legendary Gungnir.

Flandre Scarlet from Touhou uses the legendary Leviathan.

Between Gae Bolg, Leviathan, Gungnir and Longinus, I think spears have the most legendary weapons outside of swords. Way more than bows. Can anybody even produce a game with a legendary bow name other than Artemis for me?

Lenneth from Vakerie Profile uses a spear sometimes too. In fact, I think it's a signature weapon for valkeries in general, with the aforementioned Gwedolyn and Riez being other examples.

Spears feature prominently in Fire Emblem.

I've seen spears featured in a few games that use weapons in a rock/paper/scissors fashion too, although I don't remember which ones those are.

Sometime's Scorpion's Kunai is referred to as a spear, although I suppose it doesn't really count.

The Spearman is the staple unit of the loyalist faction in The Battle for Wesnoth, and also employed by Goblins Spearmen, Mermen and Drake Clashers.

They are also popular as a neolithic weapon type, although clubs replace swords as the most prominent weapon.

I recollect seeing them in the dynasty warrior series.

I also remember spear fishing in Amazon Trail.

They're a pretty common weapon type in rougelikes too.

Plus there are spears in Backpack Battles.

That's all I can think of for now, but I think there are plenty of spears in video games if you're paying attention. They're just not as popular as swords.

[Vox]

Britney spears?

[aqua star]

In the Dynasty Warrior Franchise, half of the officers you play have spears.

[Hobbit XIII]

Originally posted by aqua star:

In the Dynasty Warrior Franchise, half of the officers you play have spears.

Never fear Zhou Yun is here!

Originally posted by Tonepoet:

Spears are in plenty of video games I'd say they're within like, the top five most popular low tech video game weapons, alongside bows, swords, bows and daggers. Way more popular than maces, whips, hammers and perhaps even axes. Insofar as legendary weapons goes, I think Gungnir is perhaps the most famous one that isn't a sword or the Artemis bow.

It's the signature weapon of dragoons and Cid Highwind in Final Fantasy.

It's also in the Secret of Mana and other Seiken Densetsu games as one of the most useful weapon types after the sword. Most notably it is the signature weapon of Riez in Trials of Mana.

Diablo 2 and 3 have them as a weapon classes.

The Disgaea series features them, with them being the signature weapons of prominent characters like Krichevskoy and Etna, who had both wielded the legendary Longinus

In Fate/Stay Night there's a lancer class that uses spears who uses Gáe Bolg as his signature weapon.

Speaking of lances, Arthur from Ghosts 'n Goblins throws lances if that counts.

Gwedolyn of Odin Sphere wields the legendary Gungnir, who is a living spear character.

Flandre Scarlet from Touhou uses the legendary Leviathan.

Between Gae Bolg, Leviathan, Gungnir and Longinus, I think spears have the most legendary weapons outside of swords. Way more than bows. Can anybody even produce a game with a legendary bow name other than Artemis for me?

Lenneth from Vakerie Profile uses a spear sometimes too. In fact, I think it's a signature weapon for valkeries in general, with the aforementioned Gwedolyn and Riez being other examples.

Spears feature prominently in Fire Emblem.

I've seen spears featured in a few games that use weapons in a rock/paper/scissors fashion too, although I don't remember which ones those are.

Sometime's Scorpion's Kunai is referred to as a spear, although I suppose it doesn't really count.

The Spearman is the staple unit of the loyalist faction in The Battle for Wesnoth, and also employed by Goblins Spearmen, Mermen and Drake Clashers.

They are also popular as a neolithic weapon type, although clubs replace swords as the most prominent weapon.

I recollect seeing them in the dynasty warrior series.

I also remember spear fishing in Amazon Trail.

They're a pretty common weapon type in rougelikes too.

Plus there are spears in Backpack Battles.

That's all I can think of for now, but I think there are plenty of spears in video games if you're paying attention. They're just not as popular as swords.

How to ♥♥♥♥♥ slap anybody who thought spears are under represented.

[Neurotic Panda]

Do periods/commas not deserve to be in sentences/paragraphs ?

more concerning to me.

[Tonepoet]

Originally posted by Hobbit XIII:

How to ♥♥♥♥♥ slap anybody who thought spears are under represented.

To be fair, I think O.P. is looking for more action based games which feature spears you can wield as the player. Much (but not all) of what I listed was turn based, and I don't even think Flandre is playable in any of the Touhou games.

Just a couple of other examples. Cress from Tales of Phantasia is predominantly a sword user, but there are a few spears for him to equip in the game, which probably means other Tales games feature them too.

Apparently spears are also featured as a usable weapon type in Nioh.

Also, I think spears are also usable in The Legend of Zelda: The Breath of the Wild.

[Triple G]

Originally posted by Vox:

Britney spears?

No, she ironically uses the wrong weapons. A missed opportunity to raise the popularity of spears imho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrtpgSJra6E

[Birds]

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by Vox:

Britney spears?

No, she ironically uses the wrong weapons. A missed opportunity to raise the popularity of spears imho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrtpgSJra6E

if they're called missiles then they're basically spears.

let's not genderize the phallus unnecessarily.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by LEGENDGOD:

I have played many games and as far as i have experienced it....well,its painfully clear that spears which have great historical records for being staple of many global ancient armies have been unable to make their way or atleast not given enough attention in souls games and many other games like elder scrolls being excluded from being used in the game altogether except for the reikling spears which are morelike spear arrows. i totally understand how hard it is to bring out the truest potential of melee and ranged weapons in games where you have to program and design each thing from movesets to designs but Are the game developers just giving excuse for a low budget or are they afraid of giving it a shot and failing since many players have an IN-BUILT mindset to playing assassin or archer cause if you call only weilding a sword being a warrior class then they think of players as fools as a warrior is meant to be weapon from mind soul and body and and wield any weapon.

Long thing short are Spears so under-powered that it can't be put into games since it may be hard for players to use its fullest potential cause seikiro shows how well muscle memory works with a sword in hand. why hate spears give us some spears to play around with.

what do you guys think?

Swords are cooler than Spears. That's what I think.

However

If you like spears and similar polearm weapons like halberds and glaives, you might check out various soulsbornes that are available on steam:

Elden Ring, the Dark Souls Trilogy, Nioh 1&2, Wo Long Fallen Dynasty, The Lies of P... they all have a nice assortment of different spears, halberds and glaives for you to play around with. Not my personal weapon of choice but they can be nice.

[Birds]

many games tend to treat the spear like it's a pike as well, forcing you to fully plant both feet to even lift it. then instead of stabbing someone you gently reach out to poke then with it, as if it were an 18 foot pike that turned your slightest quiver into a lethal strike.

souls tends to have every weapon have this problem, minus gimmicks like quickstep. elden ring's swords and knvies were more diverse but the spears seemed unnecessarily grounded and unwieldly.

generally speaking the only way for a sword to compete with a spear is by clashing, ideally destroying the spear entirely as it's often much more open to destruction by a sword. either that or clinching it near the head for an advance, which is also problematic as the spear user often has superior leverage.

so from a pvp standpoint you have to nerf the everloving crap out of spears to make them fair. even though the weapons are both used concurrently despite massive balance differences between them.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Video game developers should watch this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hEX6PRgW4

[Original Cast Recording]

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

Video game developers should watch this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hEX6PRgW4

In video games, a weapon being swung around like that just passes through every enemy it touches, damaging each of them with full force.

[Original Cast Recording]

Originally posted by Birds:

many games tend to treat the spear like it's a pike as well, forcing you to fully plant both feet to even lift it. then instead of stabbing someone you gently reach out to poke then with it, as if it were an 18 foot pike that turned your slightest quiver into a lethal strike.

souls tends to have every weapon have this problem, minus gimmicks like quickstep. elden ring's swords and knvies were more diverse but the spears seemed unnecessarily grounded and unwieldly.

generally speaking the only way for a sword to compete with a spear is by clashing, ideally destroying the spear entirely as it's often much more open to destruction by a sword. either that or clinching it near the head for an advance, which is also problematic as the spear user often has superior leverage.

so from a pvp standpoint you have to nerf the everloving crap out of spears to make them fair.

If it's just a pointed end with no side-edge, you do actually have to plant yourself somewhat to doing any meaningful stabbing, or else commit yourself to a movement in the direction you wish to stab.

If it's a pole-arm that's basically just a knife or hatchet head on the end of a stick, then it can at least potentially cut whatever the same blade could cut if it were not affixed to a stick. You can imagine getting more leverage with the stick; you can also imagine being in a physical position from which you'd be unable to apply that leverage.

In games, the player often has the opportunity to constantly back up or circle-strafe; so yeah, in a lot of cases, if all other things are considered equal, having the reach advantage would make all the difference.

[Birds]

Originally posted by NoMoreUnderscores():

Originally posted by Birds:

many games tend to treat the spear like it's a pike as well, forcing you to fully plant both feet to even lift it. then instead of stabbing someone you gently reach out to poke then with it, as if it were an 18 foot pike that turned your slightest quiver into a lethal strike.

souls tends to have every weapon have this problem, minus gimmicks like quickstep. elden ring's swords and knvies were more diverse but the spears seemed unnecessarily grounded and unwieldly.

generally speaking the only way for a sword to compete with a spear is by clashing, ideally destroying the spear entirely as it's often much more open to destruction by a sword. either that or clinching it near the head for an advance, which is also problematic as the spear user often has superior leverage.

so from a pvp standpoint you have to nerf the everloving crap out of spears to make them fair.

If it's just a pointed end with no side-edge, you do actually have to plant yourself somewhat to doing any meaningful stabbing, or else commit yourself to a movement in the direction you wish to stab.

If it's a pole-arm that's basically just a knife or hatchet head on the end of a stick, then it can at least potentially cut whatever the same blade could cut if it were not affixed to a stick. You can imagine getting more leverage with the stick; you can also imagine being in a physical position from which you'd be unable to apply that leverage.

In games, the player often has the opportunity to constantly back up or circle-strafe; so yeah, in a lot of cases, if all other things are considered equal, having the reach advantage would make all the difference.

Like a wooden stick? I guess, but most of the work is done with the legs. You can also just club people with it; it's a big stick too you know. Most cultures figured out beveled spear heads pretty early though, such as the Chinese 'Red Dart' or 'Red Tassel Spear' style.

Halberds and associated weapons are a completely different ballpark, and tended to outperform plain spears due to verastility. Not everyone can lift or use one though, and most just use it as a spear that can chop spearheads off. It was a piece of standardized equipment in many armies, essentially a replacement for the spear. Not everyone had to be 'great' with it, it was just kind of an upgrade in many ways.

The root issue tactically is that a swordsman has 0 chance of approaching a halberdier or a spear user without opening themselves up. They have to let the spear user attack first, jsut to close distance. Then they have to win the footwork game too. Average players are casuals who shouldn't even be touching a sword, so...

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Originally posted by LEGENDGOD:

I have played many games and as far as i have experienced it....well,its painfully clear that spears which have great historical records for being staple of many global ancient armies have been unable to make their way or atleast not given enough attention in souls games and many other games like elder scrolls being excluded from being used in the game altogether except for the reikling spears which are morelike spear arrows. i totally understand how hard it is to bring out the truest potential of melee and ranged weapons in games where you have to program and design each thing from movesets to designs but Are the game developers just giving excuse for a low budget or are they afraid of giving it a shot and failing since many players have an IN-BUILT mindset to playing assassin or archer cause if you call only weilding a sword being a warrior class then they think of players as fools as a warrior is meant to be weapon from mind soul and body and and wield any weapon.

Long thing short are Spears so under-powered that it can't be put into games since it may be hard for players to use its fullest potential cause seikiro shows how well muscle memory works with a sword in hand. why hate spears give us some spears to play around with.

what do you guys think?

Because spears don't "look" as cool as swords etc to most people. Modern day depictions of swords/bows/etc are romanticized, so it's more about the grace of it than the actual utility. (especially in video games)

not an opinion I agree with, but it is one, because spears are actually cool af.