If someone says nazis are socialist, please remind them that believing nazis on word is cringe

[Voroff]

Short answer : no.

Long answer: Of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ course they weren't. Why is this even a question? Hitler despised Marx. Socialists were by far his biggest enemy before his rise to power and Socialists were the first to be sent to the camps after he seized power. He banned the SPD and KPD, which were social democrats and communists respectively and the two biggest parties in Germany at the time aside from the Nazis. Unions were also banned. The Nazis privatized massive parts of Germany's economy. Business owners were a huge part of his support base

The title AND the quote i just put both come from the reaction comments under this video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ez6w5BUMM

Ask any europeean if nazis = socialists, and they laught at you, before looking you in the eyes, then remembering what you are and laughting again. Period.

0:32: The video debunks the misconception that the Nazis were socialists and provides a clear explanation of socialism and capitalism.
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The video discusses the Nazis' anti-socialist policies and actions, debunking the claim that they were socialists. Nazis targeted and repressed socialists and labor unions, including Communists and the Social Democratic Party.

6:22: They outlawed socialist parties, imprisoned members, and created concentration camps for socialists.
7:27: The Nazis cracked down on labor union leaders, banned collective bargaining and strikes, and established a puppet union controlled by the Nazi party.
8:03: The Nazis destroyed labor militancy and heavily favored capitalists over workers.
8:17: Authors whose books were burned were central figures in socialist politics like Karl Marx.
8:23: The Nazis made a conscious effort to destroy socialist literature and political parties.
11:00: The close relationship between the Nazis and the capitalist class served the purpose of quelling the rise of socialism in Germany.
12:34: The video debunks the idea that Nazi Germany was socialist and argues that it was actually a capitalist economy.
12:34: Nazi government sold off public ownership in state-owned firms across various sectors
16:01: Hitler made efforts to distance the word 'socialism' from its original definition
16:59: Fascist ideology legitimized capitalist hierarchy and opposed socialist economy.

Edit to shorten a bit the timestamp list to make the second page button more reachable

[Voroff]

www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nazi-party-1
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/29/greenes-ahistorical-claim-that-nazis-were-socialists/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/


https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/NazismSocialism.html


15 years ago, no one was voicing that silly idea that two opposed, bitter idealogical ennemies were one and the same. now, you found this in every mouth willing to try every tactic to decribibilise the "left".
I'm kinda leftie, but on an american scale it doesnt render, your scale is trucated and incomplete. What i am for sure is an history afficionados - when it's rewritting history to fit your puny world view i call a stop.

[qb]

i believe the abbreviation of nsdap is natiananal socialist partry of deutchland (germany) so they strived to provide socialism on national basis ie german people and filtered out anyone out of socialism based on who they considerered "german".

[Hairy Hands Harry]

Truth. But the conservatives will never stop telling that lie.

[Voroff]

Before 1934 There were enough socialists in the SA for the term "Beefsteak Nazi" (brown on the outside , red on the inside) to be a thing, this is because Ernst Röhm's faction of the party was Socialist and were profoundly anti-capitalist and sought to seize the means of production in a worker lead revolution they imagined Hitler was going to lead. But then the political wind changed and Hitler stabbed them in the back with the night of the long knives in 1934 since Hitler in his paranoia saw Ernst Röhm as a threat to his leadership so he consolidated his base with the far right wing faction of the party and had Röhm and his supporters killed or intimidated into compliance.

This is also how the Soviets were able to recruit so many former Nazis into following Communism again in East Germany... they were already socialists who were intimidated into compliance and in too deep in the Nazi party to rebel , but once the Nazi leaders were dead or jailed they reverted to their old ways, and were open to joining communist orginizations like the Stasi and the East German border police.

So the truth is far more complex than a simple "No" which complies with the Soviet party line after the Nazis broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and invaded Russia , which lead to the Soviets burying the memory that at least early on there was a socialist faction of the Nazi party , and the wider Nazi party had some socialist policies to appease this faction of their party , and some of these policys were maintained to keep the suppressed socialists quiet. because while the Nazis may have been evil they knew enough to practice realpoltik like this.

Allied Propaganda also complied with the Soviet party line during WW2 and denied the Nazis were ever socialist for two reasons , they wanted to present a united propaganda message with the soviets that the Nazis were always purely right wing to prevent any British or American socialists from worrying about former socialists in Nazi Germany and weakening their resolve, And left leaning parties in WW2 did not want to be associated with a a party that used to have a left leaning major faction which was purged since this would have damaged their public image of stability and they did not want people to think they could go down the same path. And after the war there was no reason to revise this to a more nuanced but accurate assessment of how the Nazis rose to power with the aid of socialists who thought the Nazi party was socialist leaning.

TL: DR: Pre 1934 some nazis were openly socialist , post night of long knives the Nazi party was officially far-right wing , but still had some socialists in their ranks who were now forced into compliance through fear and being in too deep to leave.

[Voroff]

No. Socialism is a specific ideology based in equality , workers owning the means of production and aims to improve the material conditions of the proletariat. Fascism is a hyper-nationalist ideology that is anti-equality ( believes in national hierarchy ) , preserves private property and aims to restore national greatness and preserve culture and national identity. They're two different ideologies.

Fascist economics were a type of state capitalism that preserved private property , profits and individual initiative but tried to steer the economy toward national goals. As historian Roger Eatwell note , fascist economics "sought to achieve individual prosperity , but linked to communal goals".

The fact that people are still fighting about this is a testament to the strength of the right-wing's propaganda machine. Crazy...

People, you have internet. The sum of the knowledge and the history of mankind.
In your pocket.
Use it.

[Triple G]

引用自 qb：

i believe the abbreviation of nsdap is natiananal socialist partry of deutchland (germany) so they strived to provide socialism on national basis ie german people and filtered out anyone out of socialism based on who they considerered "german".

N ational s ozialistische D eutsche A rbeiter p artei.
Like "national-socialist German workers party."

While national socialism - is one word. Nationalsozialismus. It´s not national and socialism, but nationalsocialism.

And it´s against leftism, which socialism is a part of.

[qb]

引用自 Triple G：

引用自 qb：

i believe the abbreviation of nsdap is natiananal socialist partry of deutchland (germany) so they strived to provide socialism on national basis ie german people and filtered out anyone out of socialism based on who they considerered "german".

N ational s ozialistische D eutsche A rbeiter p artei.
Like "national-socialist German workers party."

While national socialism - is one word. Nationalsozialismus. It´s not national and socialism, but nationalsocialism.

And it´s against leftism, which socialism is a part of.

ideas is very similar though because you basically have arbitrary law that in the left as example a group of people is put on top ie workers, regardless of what reality might be, ie not every worker provides useful work, plus white nationalism ie a white worker doing useless work is above another person who probably not doing useless work and is not white so sounds just like leftist bolshevik ideology for white people, same even stalin argued that communism can only build on a national level whereas lenin worked to provide "leftism" for all, so its just a color of communism disguised as "nationalism".

[Triple G]

引用自 qb：

so its just a color of communism disguised as "nationalism".

The idea of the socialism part in national socialism is not that the workers are in charge of the companies or the state - the idea is about that the citizens live their life for the state (society). That You serve the country, with it´s leader. Socialism would be about that the workers serve themselves. To keep it simple. Also if the Nazis were anywhere left, they wouldn´t have put the leftists into concentration camps to be "re-educated", if they didn´t have unfortunate accidents there...

But it´s true that many other socialist or communist countries didn´t really have a socialist or communist system, but instead rather another form of it, but sold it as something different. Like in east Germany it´s not that the workers were in charge, but the political party. Same as in any other country which claims to be socialist or communist. And on top every decision is centralized by the government - like production and whatnot. This doesn´t need to be. But that´s about if the system is authorian or libertarian. Not about if it´s left or right, as both can be either, while it´s hard to achieve a classless society as in communism, when You have a ruling class, which has certain benefits over the rest of the population - together with some espionage network to observe the own population...

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引用自 Triple G：

But it´s true that many other socialist or communist countries didn´t really have a socialist or communist system

And democratic countries don't really have a democratic system.

[Triple G]

引用自 Rivers：

And democratic countries don't really have a democratic system.

Questionable, because they say parliamentarian democracy, which was probably okay till 30 years ago, because it´s impracticable to invite millions of people into some room to discuss about things. But technology made this obsolete. You don´t need a representative, when You can voice Your opinion everywhere in the world. My opinion. But this would need to be done right, as it´s easy to manipulate people in the web...

I mean You still have certain tools in a democracy. You can vote for a party, You can write petitions, You can talk to the politicians, You can have certain citizen initiatives, or You could go to the court. In practice many of these options don´t work very well though, but they´re there.

[Magma Dragoon]

or just bring up Bismark instead of all that ♥♥♥♥

[Sigma957]

The Ashkenazi are communists which is the same road as socialism. Germans were not the nazis if you haven't figured it out by now.

[Triple G]

引用自 Magma Dragoon：

or just bring up Bismark instead of all that ♥♥♥♥

Bismarck. Hering.

[Γαῖα]

You think people would get it by now considering they still act exactly the same.

What people consider as far right always starts from the left.

[dyinggg]

A country can have multiple ideologies existing in it simultaneously, and then there would never need to be another discussion held on this again :)