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Defenestration 2024 年 6 月 18 日 下午 2:36
Why do people say ACAB (All Cops Are Bastards)?
If being a cop is inherently a corrupt position, what alternative solution is there to do? Not have cops and let the streets turn to unnecessary chaos? There are indeed corrupt cops out there but to say that ALL of them are corrupt?
最后由 Defenestration 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 18 日 下午 2:37
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Scorpion 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:08 
Cops are your friends, if you are law-savvy, do not mistake your rights with priviliges, do not dabble in make-believe scenarios, do not try to be a sm@rta$$ and last but not least, do not hinder or prevent them from performing their duty.
最后由 Scorpion 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:09
George Lincoln Rizzwell 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:08 
引用自 Tom Macdonald

*Tom not realizing he's also a victim of the algorithm*
nope, i don't like anything, i don't sub to anything, i block all telemetry. i block data storage on youtube servers so they don't really have anything... you can search cop abuse and see how many vids there are yourself.

Liking and subbing means nothing. You'll still be fed more of whatever you're watching.

And if you're actively searching for it, well, I don't know what to tell you.
Azza ☠ 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:11 
引用自 Tom Macdonald
引用自 Azza ☠



I was more referring to the stereotyping claim that "All" Cops are...

I don't deny there's some corruptions or mistakes done, but still rather find it silly to make and be against all. It's like being racist and claiming all a certain race or group is criminals, etc.
cop distrust and hate isn't even on the same level.

there are a constant flow of youtube vids, millions of these that show cops and authority figures being abusive. and most of them don't think the constitution applies to them.

NZ Cops act accordingly to who they are dealing with. So if you are reasonable, they act reasonable in return. Some can be pretty chill actually. They even use female cops to calm down crazied criminals with try to act all macho, because they are more likely to comply with them.

US Cops have guns to deal with and must therefore fear the worst cases with first interactions. So yes, I'll agree they can be more aggressive and more reacting.

I still however believe most they would join the police force do it out of the interest to protest and serve, rather than just going around using it as an excuse to attack and corrupt. The few bad apples don't make up the entire lot of them.
George Lincoln Rizzwell 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:12 
引用自 Tom Macdonald

Liking and subbing means nothing. You'll still be fed more of whatever you're watching.

And if you're actively searching for it, well, I don't know what to tell you.
not true, since they don't have any data on me, they feed me random ass bs. i actively block every channel i don't have interest in.
if you don't search for it you'll never find it and it don't exist right?
2 year old logic.

Lol tom thinks he's immune
George Lincoln Rizzwell 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:16 
引用自 Tom Macdonald

Lol tom thinks he's immune
i am, i block telemetry and ads.
they know nothing about me so they never know what to feed me.

Then why do you have such absurd beliefs?
George Lincoln Rizzwell 2024 年 6 月 19 日 下午 1:20 
引用自 Tom Macdonald

Then why do you have such absurd beliefs?
off topic. none of your business.

Damn, Thomas. I'm just trying to get to know you.

Whos alt are you?
Morkonan 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:20 
引用自 Zeno
Yeah but I talk about the thin blue line on flags.

You said these were worn by police officers, yes? I assume you mean as some part of a uniform or otherwise publicly visible while they are performing their duties?

I have never seen that. And, it would be "defacing" the US flag, which is A Big Deal ™ and not something I would think would be supported by any competent police department. Could it happen? Sure. Is it endemic? Not that I have witnessed. Care to share your evidence?

Civilians attempting to show their support is one thing.

Police officers openly defacing the US Flag is completely different. If you see one doing that, then I'd agree they should absolutely be disciplined.

And what you described is also contribution to the sense of the total institution, even though it is in a good spirit.

So does their badge and uniform.

This is creating an isolated corpsmanship and making cops hostile towards " average " citizens.

An esprit de corps in service does not alienate those who serve. It reinforces their mission and their sworn duty. You have a strange understanding of what motivates people. Though, it can be said that police/law-enforcement are most certainly feeling set upon by those they serve due to radical movements and flags painted with "ACAB." That's natural, right? How would firefighters feel if anti-firefighter movements had such hate?

I have spent too much time studying this topic during my university time, to ignore that this is dangerous and let you unknowingly talk down this criticism.

I already graduated decades ago. I am pointing out that it's an unfounded statement, unwarranted, and is not supported by fact. I have also stated and I maintain that those who embrace such statements are "dumb." That they believe "all" of any segment of a population must conform to their extreme views is a dumb thing to think.

It's also not something that others should support and people actually interested in solving problems of abuse instead of trying to control and benefit from the power of The Mob would not make or support such statements.

I can only address such things in the US in my experience as a citizen. Do you live here? Are you a US citizen?


引用自 Tom Macdonald
cop distrust and hate isn't even on the same level.

there are a constant flow of youtube vids, millions of these that show cops and authority figures being abusive. and most of them don't think the constitution applies to them.

Youtube vids?

I've never made one, so does that mean I do not exist?

You're looking at an example of data bias. Perhaps with a coating of perception bias drizzled on top. Look - Everyone gets enmeshed in making mistakes like that. So, it's human. But, to then refuse such a mistake has been made and to insist one's argument is flawed is just... not good. This is a common problem with people who do not engage in introspection and do not try to discover why they think the things they do. Is that who you wish to be?


For example, riding in an automobile to school is much more likely to result in severe injury and death for a child than being shot while at school. Yet, if you ask ill-informed people what is the greatest threat to young children and school they'll likely say "being shot."

Many videos I've seen are truncated or don't show all the facts of the encounter. And, considering the number of arrests daily in the US within a population of 320 million people or so... Where are all those videos? And, if abuse is not only endemic, but every officer participates in it, then out of the ten million or so arrests made per year, why isn't there more evidence on video of such abuses.

Where is Bigfoot now that everyone has a cell phone camera? The deep woods used to be crawling with Bigfeets. Is Climate Change to blame?

I'm not saying abuse does not happen nor am I commenting on videos I have not seen. But, I am saying that youtube videos aren't exactly an unbiased or properly distributed data set...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoPyEyJ32rM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs4aKOzqSJU

Well, there's the proof we have all been arguing about! Those are good cops doing nice things and there's even a good cop correcting what could be a cop intent on abuse!

Wow! Well, I guess the proof is out there and we have found it!

(OR, maybe, those are just anecdotal evidence and not definitive of anything other than "this happened... probably." Yes, that's the best conclusion to draw.)
trousers 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:21 
Because they want a taxi enough to say it in all caps
Naedmi 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:26 
It's always ACAB until you need to call them because someone's actively breaking into your house to steal your TV.
Worlds fastest turtle 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:28 
Because they are coddled middle class weirdos who have faced no struggle in life and think the world is dandelions and burdock.
Breathe 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:32 
It's like saying "all men are trash, all women are sluts." It demonstrates frustration over things that should be addressed, discussed with maturity and sincerity & resolved. In this case, however, it's pointing the spotlight on injusticias within a corrupt system, a system riddled with imbalanced, inconsistent actions, racism, power-tripping and unaccountability.
ZZZZZ 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:44 
引用自 Naedmi
It's always ACAB until you need to call them because someone's actively breaking into your house to steal your TV.
they show up 1h late and shoot u cause they think u are the burglar, that did happen too many times already
Sek-Raktaa 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:48 
You are asking why there's a lot of americans shouting ACAB in reference to the US police force?

Well, from my point of view as an outsider who doesn't give a crap (since I don't live in the US and all that), I'd say that stuff like:

-arresting and handcuffing a guy
-checking the guy for weapons, finding none
-locking that guy inside the squad car
-somehow confuse an acorn dropping on the squad car's roof with a gun shoot
-pulling out your gun and unloading your entire clip into the guy that is locked inside the squad car, a guy that as a reminder: has been checked and verified to be unarmed and has his hands cuffed behind his back.
-allowing the cop who did that to continue working as a cop

I'd say that stuff like that happening on a frighteningly regular basis in the US is probably the reason why there's large portions of the US population that don't exactly trust the police force and started chanting ACAB as a result.

Now, this is just my humble opinion as an uninvolved outsider but maybe, just maybe, if incidents like that would happen less frequent by, I dunno, re-examining hiring practices, overhauling training and most important of all, holding police officers actually accountable for their screw ups instead of just letting them get off easy all the time, maybe, just maybe, there would be more people trusting the US police force and fewer people shouting ACAB all the time.

Just my humble opinion.
最后由 Sek-Raktaa 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:49
Morkonan 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 7:59 
引用自 Tom Macdonald
引用自 Morkonan
Youtube vids?

I've never made one, so does that mean I do not exist?
wtf are you going on about? i never said good cops don't exist.
i said 1 out of 20 are good cops.

Please post your evidence for the overwhelming majority of police officers in the US being "not good cops."

There are around some 800,000 (700k+) police officers in the US.

There are around ten million arrests made per year in the US.

It should be extremely easy for you to produce your evidence if your claim is true. That would be around 9.5 million arrests being conducted by "bad" cops per year if we assume equal distribution of arrests in some ideal situation. Of course, not all arrests are the same, but nobody making such statements would likely care about that fact, so will discount it for now.

So... what about it? Let's see the evidence.

Keep in mind, you're going to have to also prove your evidence is "significant." But, we will be lenient and require only a .05 level of confidence, but while acknowledging some of our reasoning must necessarily be subjective and qualitative, requiring certain assumptions be made in some cases.

Or, are you likely just making an unqualified assumption based on a biased interpretation of what data you have seen on youtube?


Note: Ten million people being arrested per year is a large number of people who likely don't feel very well disposed towards police officers to begin with. And, they have family, friends, associations, that may also not be very well pleased. We may need to think about that when examining the data and its sources and potential biases, too.
最后由 Morkonan 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 8:01
Sek-Raktaa 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 8:28 
引用自 Morkonan
So... what about it? Let's see the evidence.

According to an article from Dayton Daily News, more inmates died at the Montgomery County jail in 2023 than in all of 2021 and 2022 combined.

The same article from Dayton Daily News claims that more people died after coming into custody at the Montgomery County jail in 2023 than in any other jail in Ohio.

A State Jail Inspector by the name of Steve Holland said in an E-mail to Matt Haines, commander of the Montgomery County jail: "We have reviewed the information you provided in accordance with the Standards for Jails in Ohio. From this review and circumstances, it does not appear to identify any deficiencies with the Standards for Jails in Ohio."

So... there's a jail in Ohio where more people in custody die than any other jail in Ohio, but the internal investigation say's "nothing wrong here"

Kinda sus, isn't it?

Normally I'd link the article here but trying to access it is a real pain since, as a european, I had to use a VPN that's acting up now...

Look, just google: "Dayton Daily News Montgomery County Jail: 7 things we learned" if you want to read the full article yourself.

Should be at the very top of your google search list.

Anyways...

Obviously this isn't proof that all cops are corrupt and what not...

but I hope you can somewhat understand that with incidents like this, where any wrongdoing is swept under the rug and there is no accountability whatsoever, I hope you can perhaps start to somewhat understand why some people might lose their trust into the US Police and start saying things like ACAB.
最后由 Sek-Raktaa 编辑于; 2024 年 6 月 20 日 上午 8:29
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