USA have higher quality of life than EU on average

[Will be deleted]

Despite all the issues USA have it probably still have the overall better quality of life, like purchasing power is way higher. Although I guess the top countries in Europe are significantly better than the top states in USA.

[Tonepoet]

Originally posted by Triple:

I’m sorry Ameribro but every democratic state in your country is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Not that my country is any better but at least we’ve quarantined the degenerates into 1 city.

That's not exactly a fair comparison because of the difference in scale. Isreal only has a total population of 7 million people and is only 10,600 square miles if we include the Gaza strip.

The U.S. population has about 335 million people spread out across 3.7 million square miles. It'd be much harder to corral all of the crazies into just one city, and that's assuming you can fit them all into a single one.

Isreal is more comparable to Maryland, which is one of the smaller U.S. states...

The European Union as a whole is really the only fair basis of comparison in terms of political structure (they're both sorts of federations), landmass and population.

[Will be deleted]

USA healthcare is a bit like housing for many Europeans (although certain places in USA have same issue), both unsustainable and very high priced and major issue for people to break into the middle class.

Owning or not owning houses seems to become the biggest factor in inequality in many places.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by Will be deleted:

USA healthcare is a bit like housing for many Europeans (although certain places in USA have same issue), both unsustainable and very high priced and major issue for people to break into the middle class.

Owning or not owning houses seems to become the biggest factor in inequality in many places.

I still want a family... can I real;isticly raise family in my flat./.. well it COULD but that would be like living like the lowest of workers in the 1800s..
being forced to have them sleep in the livingroom or in the same room as their parents...

I was raised with each kid heir own room.. and feel thats a fair expectation.
+ that a terraced house, with a backgarden even if it;s not that big one.. is the norm

but where in 1950 an unskilled factory worker could buy such a house on 1 wage...
in 1980 already.. it took my dad an mastergrade wage to do the same.. still it was barely douable on 1 wage.. if you were at or above median income.. lower incomes already had to use 2 incomes and basicly waste the kids as nobody was there to watch them..

in 2000 you could with TWO full time working mastergrade incomes barely snipe such a house...

and now... not even that gets you one forget it..

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that means that practically one cannot raise a family..

most dutch households have the 1.5 job solution.. as in 1 partner works 32-40 hours (fulltime) and the other works 8-24 hours (parttime) usually they not work when the children are little but work as the children attend school during schoolhours.

this still means no need for creshes is needed.. and one parent is always home when the children are home and the other partner arrives home at dinnertime.. so the family still each night spends dinner and the evening together.. as well as the weekends..

but with such a lifestyle you just cannot afford a house that realisticly a family with 2 kids can live in let alone if you want a few more..

thus you see that the best and brightest have NO kids..or just the 1 as they try to keep up this standard.. while migrants who are used to squalor.. get 5 kids in a flat rented with welfare.. they give rats ass for any standards they just want kids..

but while I would be at the point to do the same.. most decent woman aint.. they rather go ""I not know if I want kids"

often 70% of household income is spend on rent or morgage... and than they still not have this terraced house to raise a family in but a crappy flat..
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thus.. raising a family is really hard mostly due the housing prices..

the main thing that makes me think move to norway (once I found a wife.. ) aka once I am ready to start that family... is cause there at least I still can afford a nice house with enough room for each kid.. without it taking an unreasonable chunk of my income.. so my wife could still stay at home if she wanted and be a housewife.. or work parttime..
if she wants to work fulltime.. I would lessen my hours.. (I still think one of the parents should be with the kids.. so if she wants a career.,. I would sacrifice mine instead) I not believe 2 fulltime working parents is healthy for kids..

but in my nation... can't afford any of that..


oh and it can be worse.. my flat may be crappy and I rent it but at least I GOT one..

there are over 200.000 short of the demand for 6,700.000 meaning that a lot of people are forced to stay at home very long..
even the nasty "rent with a hospice" absicly rent the attick in the house of some other person.. is slowly getting back in favor..

a thing that my dad talked about of a thing of the postwar years and that we were glad we outlawed/got rid off.. as it was TERRIBLE..

[swillfly]

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[Good Night Owl]

Originally posted by swillfly:

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You don't like six pages of bias and wasted time!? What are you doing here?

[Will be deleted]

Well if the nordic countries had the USA tax system and worked as much as american, the salaries would be even higher than those in USA based on productivity per worked hour metrics I've seen. This also apply to some other european countries.

Although USA would still have higher incomes than most european countries in that case, but maybe looking at it that way give a better picture how well USA should be doing with its economy.

Also there are a few european countries with higher billionaries per capita than USA, Sweden and Switzerland are amongst them.

So it is possible that Sweden, Norway, Denmark and a few other european countries are actually richer than USA, but the choose to work a lot less, but they are richer once that take account for.

[Xero_Daxter]

My great grandma is still alive so America is probably doing something right.

[Pieshaman]

USA's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ score on the safety part of quality of life index make it drop out of top 10 of best countries.
And I don't see that change soon.

[Kamiyama]

What fake statistics is the OP sourcing to back up this claim?

[Will be deleted]

Middle class is worse off in europe compared to USA, although it is not as bad to be low income europe compared to USA and in both the wealthy are the ones benefiting.

Europe killed of its middle class even faster than USA did with high income taxes but wealthy hardly pay taxes, same in USA but taxes are lower for middle class but wealfare is more limited which is why the low income people have it worse.

[Will be deleted]

Originally posted by Kamiyama:

What fake statistics is the OP sourcing to back up this claim?

Well I get to keep less than half the money my employeer pay for me and I also know how much my american co-workers earn and get to keep for similar jobs.

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Will be deleted:

Despite all the issues USA have it probably still have the overall better quality of life, like purchasing power is way higher. Although I guess the top countries in Europe are significantly better than the top states in USA.

i am not sure about that

louisina lifespan is only 73 years, in poland it is 75 years

in germany lifespan is 80 years, in usa it is 76 years, so california it is 79 years and new york it is 77 years

[Will be deleted]

Originally posted by vkobe:

Originally posted by Will be deleted:

Despite all the issues USA have it probably still have the overall better quality of life, like purchasing power is way higher. Although I guess the top countries in Europe are significantly better than the top states in USA.

i am not sure about that

louisina lifespan is only 73 years, in poland it is 75 years

in germany lifespan is 80 years, in usa it is 76 years, so california it is 79 years and new york it is 77 years

USA is actually 77 based on the lastest number I've seen, sure not even back to its peak and far from where it would be based on like its 1980s life expectency which was higher than countries like Germany I think at that time.

Although USA life expectency is not particular bad if you are among the upper part of income, but the lower part performs poorly compared to other countries people in similar situation.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Will be deleted:

Middle class is worse off in europe compared to USA, although it is not as bad to be low income europe compared to USA and in both the wealthy are the ones benefiting.

Low income in America is much much much worse of than in Europe
The avarage income in Argentina is ie. $425 a month and $273 in Surinam. If we look at Brazil then its only $423. The US if we take a avarage of all the countries in it is $6,228

Canada is $3,204.

In Europe there are low salaries avarages as well like Ukraine with $391, but there is also Switzerland with $7,439, Denmark with $6.851

But its all pointless, due to the fact that everybody have different systems and perks.. Take the Scandianvian countries with full blown welfare (free education, including university and you get a salary for doing so) free healthcare and so forth..

Its simply not comparable.

But nobody I know would switch with Americans..

[Will be deleted]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Will be deleted:

Middle class is worse off in europe compared to USA, although it is not as bad to be low income europe compared to USA and in both the wealthy are the ones benefiting.

Low income in America is much much much worse of than in Europe
The avarage income in Argentina is ie. $425 a month and $273 in Surinam. If we look at Brazil then its only $423. The US if we take a avarage of all the countries in it is $6,228

Canada is $3,204.

In Europe there are low salaries avarages as well like Ukraine with $391, but there is also Switzerland with $7,439, Denmark with $6.851

But its all pointless, due to the fact that everybody have different systems and perks.. Take the Scandianvian countries with full blown welfare (free education, including university and you get a salary for doing so) free healthcare and so forth..

Its simply not comparable.

But nobody I know would switch with Americans..

I would switch to USA, the difference in how much money I would end up with is simply huge and I would still get same amount of vacation and overall good benefits. But this is in tech industry so that is not the normal situation.