Mars, Venus, or somewhere else?

[C4Warr10r]

Elon Musk is apparently the talk of the town, and his plan is to go to Mars, seemingly. What are the advantages to that? There are pros and cons, just like there would be in going to Venus. There are also arguments for going other places, which may be his plan.

Where do you think the best interplanetary option is? Or the best strategy? The only rule is that you need a plausible strategy, even if that's "We just stay on Earth forever."

[dyinggg]

Uranus

[skOsH♥]

The sun slowly pulls the Earth just very small amounts every year, and so eventually we will fall out of the goldilocks zone. Maybe in millions of years or more

Mars has no future as an actual liveable place. There would have to be fiberglass domes and artificial atmosphere pods on Mars. I imagine it will be our next "taking off point" as the first priority, and then terraforming.

I think the actual goal here is to get to Titan, one of Saturn's moons. I'm pretty sure it would have more resources. It's going to be cold as hell, but due to how we think it formed, it should have water in some form and also an absolute crapload of titanium. And then that will be our second jumping off point.

I'm sure if humanity doesn't wipe itself out, and we don't think about faster propulsion methods, we will have humans leaving the solar system in maybe 150 years at the earliest.

Probably more like 500 years since we just keep using rockets, a now 80 year old technology at the very least.

We will sooner send a laser powered light sail that we can accelerate at very high speeds to gather data and images from alpha centauri and proxima b.

Edit: it's four light years to the next system, so if we can get a light sail to go 25% the speed of light and launched it now, we would get info from alpha centauri in only 32* years. * sorry messed up the math

If you think about it, that's kind of sad.

We would rather just self extinct apparently

[Steve]

Humanity will not survive the competency crisis.

[Fr4ntic]

Mars is the only planet remotly possible to make it inhabitable at some point. Venu is only gas good luck there.

But all this space exploration may sound very cool and reral life sci fi but im going with what Neil Degrasse Tyson said.
If you have the abbillety to make a planet inhabitable for us humans why not start doing it on your own planet.
I strongly believe this is rich ppl using their money to get the hell out of here and let the plebs suffer on planet earth - why else go ?

[Electric Cupcake]

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Venu is only gas good luck there.

I weep for education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8SwAFQFuU

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Anywhere else in the solar system would be miserable existence confined indoors and space suits for your entire life. Should really stop screwing up the only nice place we got.

[Duck Twacy]

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Mars is the only planet remotly possible to make it inhabitable at some point. Venu is only gas good luck there.

But all this space exploration may sound very cool and reral life sci fi but im going with what Neil Degrasse Tyson said.
If you have the abbillety to make a planet inhabitable for us humans why not start doing it on your own planet.
I strongly believe this is rich ppl using their money to get the hell out of here and let the plebs suffer on planet earth - why else go ?

Venus is not gas. It's a rocky inferno with temperatures three times or more of your oven, and an atmosphere as thick as molasses. It rains sulfuric acid, which is what the clouds are made of, which cover the surface from pole to pole.

If you went there you would be crushed and incinerated all at once.

[skOsH♥]

Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Venu is only gas good luck there.

I weep for education.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8SwAFQFuU

Yeah it's incredibly hot there, is a rocky planet, but has a toxic atmosphere too

Someone would instantly die from the heat on Venus....and it essentially has volcanic eruptions all the time

It's like if we wanted to go to the version of Earth 4 billion years ago. Not a good idea

I would much rather stay here. Of course, we have people who think they help the planet, like driving a Tesla, but then...most of them have to waste our limited non-salt water, washing said Tesla

Idk if those people care about the environment. They're posers and every time I see a clean Telsa I just think...alright, so they don't care.

Besides oxygen, you need water, and a little food.

I respect seeing dirty cars.

[C4Warr10r]

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Mars is the only planet remotly possible to make it inhabitable at some point. Venu is only gas good luck there.

But all this space exploration may sound very cool and reral life sci fi but im going with what Neil Degrasse Tyson said.
If you have the abbillety to make a planet inhabitable for us humans why not start doing it on your own planet.
I strongly believe this is rich ppl using their money to get the hell out of here and let the plebs suffer on planet earth - why else go ?

Venus is not gas. It's a rocky inferno with temperatures three times or more of your oven, and an atmosphere as thick as molasses. It rains sulfuric acid, which is what the clouds are made of, which cover the surface from pole to pole.

If you went there you would be crushed and incinerated all at once.

Yeah but our breathable gasses float well on top of that atmosphere, which is mostly made of organic molecules we can use as fuel or synthetic agents. I figured this would be one of the first things people would fail to notice as this debate goes on. Maybe someone with a case for Venus will show up, or maybe not, but the whole point here is to see where people's opinions are.

[Duck Twacy]

Originally posted by C4Warr10r:

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

Venus is not gas. It's a rocky inferno with temperatures three times or more of your oven, and an atmosphere as thick as molasses. It rains sulfuric acid, which is what the clouds are made of, which cover the surface from pole to pole.

If you went there you would be crushed and incinerated all at once.

Yeah but our breathable gasses float well on top of that atmosphere, which is mostly made of organic molecules we can use as fuel or synthetic agents. I figured this would be one of the first things people would fail to notice as this debate goes on. Maybe someone with a case for Venus will show up, or maybe not, but the whole point here is to see where people's opinions are.

There are no organic molecules floating on top of Venus's atmosphere. There is very thin stratospheric oxygen, maybe some nitrogen and helium.

Any molecules are deep in the interior portions of the atmosphere, notably CO2.

[Freqsync]

Red shift finds need to be investigate detections physically

Direction will be equivalent of deep diving into the earth's crust everything will be different for doing so and doing so on earth with limitations vs exploring vastness of densities deliberatly to harness free energy forms on the various planets to power detection techniques (to be continued)

The remarkable imagination to find the stalagmite of a planet to the universe would be convenient (expecting this to be a television 3 parter please do not use this contribution for a movie)

Bombarded by rays that the world inhabited to deflect decaying remains as a fuel source to retain orbit between an asteroid field and it's Sun. Perhaps the planet venture to gets closest?, most often?, effected? by such places that red shift doesn't even need to be used to see or some other celestial erosion.


Surviving Pulsar planet

[St✩rlight]

Originally posted by skOsH:

Idk if those people care about the environment. They're posers and every time I see a clean Telsa I just think...alright, so they don't care.

Besides oxygen, you need water, and a little food.

I respect seeing dirty cars.

Someone invented a solar device that can turn salt water into 20 litres of clean water every day. It's a small and lightweight device, you could probably carry it on your back if you needed to.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by C4Warr10r:

Elon Musk is apparently the talk of the town, and his plan is to go to Mars, seemingly. What are the advantages to that? There are pros and cons, just like there would be in going to Venus. There are also arguments for going other places, which may be his plan.

Where do you think the best interplanetary option is? Or the best strategy? The only rule is that you need a plausible strategy, even if that's "We just stay on Earth forever."

I am not sure.

Everything indicates that a sustained colony on Mars would not be viable.

If you are talking about terraforming, then Mars has already lost it's atmosphere and is a very cold, so Venus is the better target.

The only problem with Venus is that we can't land there at the moment, but then we don't have the technology to terraform either planet at the moment.

It seems to me that the only reason Mars is a target is that we can land there. And, personally, I would prefer to see some real science on other planets and moons before we spend billions getting somewhere that's of little use.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by C4Warr10r:

Elon Musk is apparently the talk of the town, and his plan is to go to Mars, seemingly. What are the advantages to that? There are pros and cons, just like there would be in going to Venus. There are also arguments for going other places, which may be his plan.

Where do you think the best interplanetary option is? Or the best strategy? The only rule is that you need a plausible strategy, even if that's "We just stay on Earth forever."

the advantage is, the longer you hang out in a place you don't understand, the more chances you have of understanding it. understanding leads to mastery, mastery leads to advancement, and that's what might reveal untold advances. or not. its always a risk, exploration.

however, theres no 'pros' to go to venus for us currently, so i'm not sure who gave you that idea.

atmospheric pressure equivalent to 1350psi (you are experiencing about 14.7 psi right now, give or take.) that would crush a human like a grape, amidst clouds of pure sulphuric acid, at 870 F, there is nothing gained by visiting venus. at least, with our current technology. later, when the equipment is properly developed to survive on venus, we might be able to unlock some advancements there, but that's for when our civilization enters a new age.

at that point it would probably be possible to make venus habitable again, or build a city above its dense clouds of death. quite the stretch of the imagination from a book i read from 1970 lol. it didn't age very well, especially with boeing on the verge of being shut down from criminal negligence.

[tmwfte]

Venus has no plate tectonics, no magnetosphere, no possibility of water, no temperature regulation, and pressures higher than ocean depths. Titanium melts and crumples before it reaches the surface like tissue paper. There's no possibility of Venus being viable for human life.