Guys, the PS5 Pro is only $100 more than the PS5!!

[ChickenTacos]

If you own a PS5 base and want a Pro, you can trade in your PS5 base and get a PS5 Pro at a reduced cost.

If you do not own a PS5 or PS5 Pro and want a PS5 Pro, you're only paying an extra $100 for upgraded performance over the PS5 base.

If you don't want to pay the extra $100 for the PS5 Pro, but want a PS5, just get the PS5 base.

Ok, so why all of the backlash against the PS5 Pro price, when it's just a mere $100? You can save up $100 (if you really need to) in a short amount of time!

[JELLY 200000]

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i got the ps5 pro and it is so underwhelming if you played on pc ever xd

In what way is it underwhelming? I mostly play games on PS5 Pro now while my 4090 is collecting dust. I use the PC even less now because I haven't used it for so long that windows is trying to update and force me to schedule a restart which I know will undo all my Win 11 tweaks.

for me biggest issue is multitasking is slower and more annoying on the console but on the pc i can chat play browse internet on the same screen

and also use keyboard and mouse to play the games easily xd

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

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In what way is it underwhelming? I mostly play games on PS5 Pro now while my 4090 is collecting dust. I use the PC even less now because I haven't used it for so long that windows is trying to update and force me to schedule a restart which I know will undo all my Win 11 tweaks.

for me biggest issue is multitasking is slower and more annoying on the console but on the pc i can chat play browse internet on the same screen

and also use keyboard and mouse to play the games easily xd

Multitasking is definitely a plus for PC, but not necessarily a requirement for Gaming.
For me on the other hand not dealing with anything PC is the best part of console gaming, because I work on PC all day I don't necessarily find the PC gaming experience relaxing due to the extra work required.
On PC whenever any new game comes out I need to dig into the .inis and/or create AHK scripts to set up the controls to the way I like because almost every game nowadays has hard coded keys or actions and I use arrow keys and keypad instead of wasd. this by itself could take up a few hours, typically I blow thru my 2 hour return window without even playing the game but by setting up controls, and tweaking and testing graphics settings. then there is the drivers, and updates that sometimes reset all your tweaks. I also don't like browsing during games, and don't follow any guides, just play the game as is.

I just find it more relaxing and get more immersed in the gameplay experience when I can just Press a button and 5-10 seconds later I'm playing the game without having to mess with any setting or updates at all. long ago I actually enjoyed that kind of PC fiddling stuff, but as I got older it just became an annoyance, all I need nowadays is crisp temporally stable graphics and 60 FPS which the Ps5 Pro delivers, the slightly reduced graphics fidelity doesn't bother me 1 bit like it used to in previous console generations.

[Sarge the doggo]

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Can't afford the 5000 dollar tv i need for 4k console gaming sadly.

but I'll save up so I can game at smooth 60 fps gaming like you enjoy!

In case you didn't know you can get a 32" 4K 240hz Oled for $1000, same price for a 65" 120hz Oled TV with VRR but your GPU is too slow to handle that resolution so maybe 1440p for that 60-80 fps target. Either way when console gaming on a TV with a controller more than 60 FPS is not required like it is when sitting close to a monitor and using mouse. You don't notice any input lag and frametimes are consistent. You're getting too hung up at the 60 FPS when you should be looking at the overall gaming experience which is almost identical to playing on PC.
Bottom line is that for $700 you get 60 FPS gaming at high settings that rivals PC gaming. You need to spend thousands more to really notice a difference, and even then the visual difference is not that much better it's all resolution and FPS. And the most graphically demanding games (path traced) on PC require you to play at 1080p with frame generation for that 60 FPS or quad frame gen for that high refresh monitor and that's using the Best GPUs money can buy.

The whole point of the PS5 Pro is to play modern games at 60 FPS target with 1080p-1800p render upscaled to 4K via PSSR and achieve a clean temporally stable image and it certainly achieves this goal for a fraction of the cost of a PC while putting out PC quality visuals.

Sounds like I need 1700 dollar tv ps5 combo to even compete with a 1200 dollar budget pc.


I think I will stick with PC

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

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In case you didn't know you can get a 32" 4K 240hz Oled for $1000, same price for a 65" 120hz Oled TV with VRR but your GPU is too slow to handle that resolution so maybe 1440p for that 60-80 fps target. Either way when console gaming on a TV with a controller more than 60 FPS is not required like it is when sitting close to a monitor and using mouse. You don't notice any input lag and frametimes are consistent. You're getting too hung up at the 60 FPS when you should be looking at the overall gaming experience which is almost identical to playing on PC.
Bottom line is that for $700 you get 60 FPS gaming at high settings that rivals PC gaming. You need to spend thousands more to really notice a difference, and even then the visual difference is not that much better it's all resolution and FPS. And the most graphically demanding games (path traced) on PC require you to play at 1080p with frame generation for that 60 FPS or quad frame gen for that high refresh monitor and that's using the Best GPUs money can buy.

The whole point of the PS5 Pro is to play modern games at 60 FPS target with 1080p-1800p render upscaled to 4K via PSSR and achieve a clean temporally stable image and it certainly achieves this goal for a fraction of the cost of a PC while putting out PC quality visuals.

Sounds like I need 1700 dollar tv ps5 combo to even compete with a 1200 dollar budget pc.


I think I will stick with PC

No just $700, why you're trying to add the TV to the price of the console?
VRR TV is definitely recommended to get the most out of the Pro especially for the games with unlocked FPS 120hz mode that hit 70-120 FPS and some games that ride the edge of 60 FPS to smooth things out. You can definitely play just fine on any 4K 60hz TV. There are some older/cheaper TVs non OLED that do vrr such as the q70t. I almost assumed that most people would have at least 1 VRR TV in the household. It's the same as on PC, you can play on any cheap monitor but to get the best possible experience you want that high refresh/resolution/oled/VRR monitor or TV.

Below is my MHW bench score, since I'm rendering 4x more piexels than you (2 million vs 8 million and have similar FPS does that mean My PC provides 4x better gaming experience/visual fidelity than your PC? No it looks almost exactly the same in the end.
now take into account sitting 10 feet away from your TV and these differences simply disappear.

Let's break down that MHW benchmark (It's a very resource hungry benchmark). I see you're on the Ultra Preset which means you're rendering the game at 720p resolution and upscaling to 1080p via DLSS and average 140 FPS (with frame generation) so average FPS @ 720p native without frame generation is around 70 fps. I'm also on the Ultra Preset but rendering the game at 1440p & upscaling to 4K via DLSS. Now lets look at Ps5 Pro. It's rendering the game a 1080p and not upscaling but instead using PSSR AA and hitting 70-80 average in unlocked 120hz mode without frame generation, or pretty much locked 60 fps in 60hz mode (I don't know why the developers decided to go for PSSR AA instead of upscale to 4K when the end result would be a sharper looking image, maybe they will patch that in the future) Either way the end result on the screen is pretty much the same as on PC. I shouldn't say the same because the Ps5 Pro FPS mode has disabled ray tracing reflections on water surfaces and is using SSR. however on balanced mode it's rendering at 1440p and has ray tracing enabled and is doing 40+ fps. If the developer decided to use frame generation (which the PS5 Pro can do with PSSR) then they could technically have a 80+ FPS mode with ray tracing. Ps5 Pro has the same tricks as modern GPUs and due to the architecture advantages vs PC can render more frames than a PC with the same hardware. It's not like in the past generations where the consoles were so weak that 30 fps was standard and graphics effects such as ambient occlusion were completely missing,or shadows were turned off or had super low resolution, or textures were low quality, or dynamic shadows/lighting were missing. None of that is an issue anymore since Ps5 Pro can and does deliver PC quality graphics at 60 FPS (obviously not path tracing since even a 4090 does single digit FPS at native resolution without Frame gen)
yes $700 is more than previous consoles but IMO it's fairly priced for the gaming experience and visuals it delivers. Best thing about it is the ease of use, just turn it on and you're playing the games in seconds, and you don't have to deal with any of the PC nuisance. power consumption is low and it runs cool and quiet.
Of course PC is better, but the gap between graphics and visual smoothness is smaller than it has ever been.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3434366600

[Sarge the doggo]

That’s ok I’m gonna stick with pc since PlayStation has no games I remember playing fat princess on ps3 what a time to be alive that was a good era of Sony now?


Where’s the games!


I tried to play my PlayStation with no tv just now doesn’t work!

How are you gaming on PlayStation 5 for 700 dollars with no screen!

[Krypto]

I sold my PS5, so now I'm pure PC and it feels great.

[Sarge the doggo]

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I sold my PS5, so now I'm pure PC and it feels great.

Blessed by the gaming goddess, play with mouse and keyboard check, play with any Bluetooth controller? Check. Have an expansive collection of the most classic games of all time? Check.

Let’s go PC friends!

[Krypto]

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I sold my PS5, so now I'm pure PC and it feels great.

Blessed by the gaming goddess, play with mouse and keyboard check, play with any Bluetooth controller? Check. Have an expansive collection of the most classic games of all time? Check.

Let’s go PC friends!

Controller > Keyboard and mouse :P

[ΜΣ†ΛĿ]

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That’s ok I’m gonna stick with pc since PlayStation has no games I remember playing fat princess on ps3 what a time to be alive that was a good era of Sony now?


Where’s the games!


I tried to play my PlayStation with no tv just now doesn’t work!

How are you gaming on PlayStation 5 for 700 dollars with no screen!

Funny thing I just turned on my PC but without a monitor and it doesn't work, I tried pressing all the keyboard buttons but nothing. PC doesn't have games either, what are all these must have PC exclusives you keep talking about.
We are talking about the PS5 Pro and not Ps5 OG or PS3.

Isn't it amazing that just for $700 you can have a console that plays modern games as good as your PC. It's not about sticking with PC or switching to Ps5 Pro. it's about having a choice to experience modern games on a different platform and the fact that Ps5 Pro plays the same games your PC plays at nearly identical visual fidelity. You made it clear on multiple occasions that you can't afford a TV and it's safe to assume you haven't experienced playing on a PS5 Pro so you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about not to mention you don't know anything about the Ps5 hardware/architecture. You haven't even tried to counter/deny/discuss any of the points I made and are simply parroting the same thing over and over. You spent all your piggy bank savings on this probably a pre-built PC and a 1080p monitor and think you have finally made it to the PC master race. But you'r PC is MID Bro, you're still on 1080p I was on 2560x1600 in 2004.I'll be getting the 5090 once they fix the GPU die defects and I will still be playing most games on the Ps5 Pro except the path traced games. and you'll still be on your 4070ti well past the Ps6 release date.

[Sarge the doggo]

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Guess the playstation isnt just 700 dollars then! Unfortunate!

[Krypto]

Not if you're into online. That's an additional fee monthly.

[Sarge the doggo]

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Not if you're into online. That's an additional fee monthly.

Oh thats right 700 dollar playstation plus a huge fancy top of the line tv AND Playstations gaming sub.

NOT TO MENTION YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR INTERNET to even be on the internet!

Playstation is a gaming steal!

With no games!

[Krypto]

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Not if you're into online. That's an additional fee monthly.

Oh thats right 700 dollar playstation plus a huge fancy top of the line tv AND Playstations gaming sub.

NOT TO MENTION YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR INTERNET to even be on the internet!

Playstation is a gaming steal!

With no games!

Most of the games on PC are also on console, but PS5 has some exclusives not on PC right now like Stellar Blade, which is a banger of a title.

But if you want the full experience, it's an additional 213 bucks a year for PS Plus Premium, which is ridiculous.

[Sarge the doggo]

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Most of the games on PC are also on console, but PS5 has some exclusives not on PC right now like Stellar Blade, which is a banger of a title.

But if you want the full experience, it's an additional 213 bucks a year for PS Plus Premium, which is ridiculous.

Paying 213 additional to have no games just like PC wild times!

[Krypto]

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Most of the games on PC are also on console, but PS5 has some exclusives not on PC right now like Stellar Blade, which is a banger of a title.

But if you want the full experience, it's an additional 213 bucks a year for PS Plus Premium, which is ridiculous.

Paying 213 additional to have no games just like PC wild times!

Well, you do get "free" games every month with having a subscription, but unlike Epic Games, you have to have an active subscription to use them.