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What's your Opinion, Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?
Please don't start a flame war, and please research stuff before you say it, but I am curious about other people's opinion. Personally, I don't put it out of thought, but I don't fully believe it either.
Originally posted by L1qu1dator:
Nah buildings just fall over without anything hitting them all the time... :EsheUnimpressed:
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jisei Mar 15, 2024 @ 4:52pm 
jet fuel cannot melt steel beams!
xDDD Mar 15, 2024 @ 4:56pm 
Duh it was an inside job.
I thought everyone knew this by now.
craigsters Mar 15, 2024 @ 4:57pm 
around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit
Its reaction with oxygen is explosively exothermic. The pressurized conditions inside a jet engine allow jet fuel to burn at very high temperatures. At room temperature and pressure, jet fuel burns at around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

type into google how hot does jet fuel burn and you'll get a bunch of sites mentioning this

Face book deleted the video links debunking this, I wonder why?
Violeta Mar 15, 2024 @ 4:58pm 
I do think that there is logic in that there was a controlled collapse. To prevent the building falling onto or destroying other buildings.

A limit the damage thing. That can't be admitted, because it was innocent citizens being killed.
L1qu1dator Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:01pm 
Originally posted by craigsters:
around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit
Its reaction with oxygen is explosively exothermic. The pressurized conditions inside a jet engine allow jet fuel to burn at very high temperatures. At room temperature and pressure, jet fuel burns at around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

type into google how hot does jet fuel burn and you'll get a bunch of sites mentioning this

Face book deleted the video links debunking this, I wonder why?

There's also the case of the "building 7" that wasn't hit by a plane so there was no fuel involved...
WhiteKnight77 Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:02pm 
Originally posted by De Hollandse Ezel:
similair fires in towers.. never had the tower collapse.. not even a plane crashing into them would do that..

they can burn down to the skeleton and still not collapse...

also when towers like that collapse... they would have a floor drop down as the steel no longer can support the weight above than as it crashes into the floor below the next floor falls etc..

when we see those 2 towers collapse we see it collapsing on every floor
the only way that happens is with placed demolitions..

the collapse pattern and the fact it did collapse as far as it did does fit a demolition..

those are tthe facts and those facts make me think.. that tower did not collapse due that planecrash it was demolishioned with placed charges..

further than that I aint going to speculate..
What do you know about structural steel and the temperature at which it loses 50% of its strength? Steel does not need to melt to cause a collapse.

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:
Nah buildings just fall over without anything hitting them all the time... :EsheUnimpressed:
A building hitting another building will cause damage to it. Building 7 Explained: The Tube That Crumpled explains why both WTC 1, 2 and 7 collapsed. Building 1 hit building 7 as it collapsed and burning debris from building 1 started the fires as well as causing damage from the parapet to ground level and at least 1/3rd of the southwest corner of the building was damaged, starting from the 18th floor[lh4.googleusercontent.com] that wasn't seen by any news crews.

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

24 story building burned to a crisp, but didn't collapse... curious... Seems the Brits know better how to build than Americans. :P
Though they're not better when it comes to fire safety.
What was the construction of said building? Was it precast, reinforced concrete? Was it concrete encased steel? That Wikipedia page does not list anything of its construction outside of the exterior cladding, that appears to have issues with fires as noted with other cases of fires using such exteriors.

The video linked above answers the question of what it was made from, and, details other fires in which buildings collapsed or partially collapsed after 9-11-2001.

The floors for WTC1 and 2 used bar joists for the floors. To see what one looks like, just go to your local grocery store or other big box store and look up. The framing one sees up there are open truss girders and bar joists. The WTC used bar joists that had 1" diameter bar stock used for the truss part with angles for the top and bottom chords that are all welded together. One end sits on a girder between columns and the other end is attached to the exterior wall panels as see in this image[www.fireengineering.com]. These were spaced ever 6.7 feet. A good article about this can be found on the The World Trade Center Construction and Collapse, Part 3[www.fireengineering.com] and included actual photos of the installation of the floor trusses in one of the towers and its spray on fire-proofing.

As a structural steel inspector, I have to understand how welds are made, what materials are used in the buildings I inspect as they are erected, which kind of bolts are to be used and how they are to be tightened and how heat can affect steel as well as some metallurgy.
Last edited by WhiteKnight77; Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:05pm
kingjames488 Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:03pm 
Originally posted by L1qu1dator:
Originally posted by craigsters:
around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit
Its reaction with oxygen is explosively exothermic. The pressurized conditions inside a jet engine allow jet fuel to burn at very high temperatures. At room temperature and pressure, jet fuel burns at around 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

type into google how hot does jet fuel burn and you'll get a bunch of sites mentioning this

Face book deleted the video links debunking this, I wonder why?

There's also the case of the "building 7" that wasn't hit by a plane so there was no fuel involved...
what if I told you "building 7" was just the pentagon plus the twin towers?!

mind = blown.
trousers Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:03pm 
Jet fuel can't melt steel dreams.
WhiteKnight77 Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:08pm 
Originally posted by kingjames488:
Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

There's also the case of the "building 7" that wasn't hit by a plane so there was no fuel involved...
what if I told you "building 7" was just the pentagon plus the twin towers?!

mind = blown.
While no jet fuel was in building 7, there was diesel fuel for backup generators.
xDDD Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:10pm 
Bumping with a classic video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCzy9i4tIHU
Birds Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by Kiler_best1235_Denmark:
Im curious what will happen in either case:

1) It was an inside job

2) It was not an inside job

What is the outcome of 1 or 2?

The CIA had vast swathes of the internal command staff being run by outside contractors at the time.

It could easily be a mix of the two, some rogue faction or some legitimate controlling force from outside.

The US and the CIA aren't exactly on good terms at the governmental level.

Originally posted by :
I do think that there is logic in that there was a controlled collapse. To prevent the building falling onto or destroying other buildings.

A limit the damage thing. That can't be admitted, because it was innocent citizens being killed.

It can't be admitted because it calls attention to the flight tape, which has been confirmed to have been used to pilot the planes.

It's a really, really hard thing to pull off. They'd have to have sent the Tom Cruise of arabic ace pilots to do what the planes did, and black box data has confirmed that the data signature of the exact tape used in the modeling was present.

So at the very least the US designed an anti-US weapon and then slipped and fell and dropped it on itself. That's the best way that this looks, cartoonish buffoonery.
Hairy Hands Harry Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:15pm 
Originally posted by Birds:
It can't be admitted because it calls attention to the flight tape, which has been confirmed to have been used to pilot the planes.

It's a really, really hard thing to pull off. They'd have to have sent the Tom Cruise of arabic ace pilots to do what the planes did, and black box data has confirmed that the data signature of the exact tape used in the modeling was present.

So at the very least the US designed an anti-US weapon and then slipped and fell and dropped it on itself. That's the best way that this looks, cartoonish buffoonery.

Sad that people actually believe this nonsense.
:steamfacepalm:
Xautos Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:24pm 
Originally posted by HermitTheToad13:
...Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

Yes.

Usama Bin Laden was on the CIA's payroll at one point and several American groups profited considerably from the clean up from the whole thing, notably gun sales from abject fear of a terror attack, the clean up operation and construction efforts, not to mention the America media that milked the whole thing, but they have always been parasites.
Birds Mar 15, 2024 @ 5:26pm 
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3185538308

yeah, you have to hit two of those, upside down, with no wings, directly with your fuel tanks.

it's not something that's reasonably possible without automation, and the data of the exact composition of the building is probably only really available in the US. not that the US isn't a hub of spying and capitalism, of course.
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