Do virtuous people recognize they are?

[Michu]

Most people I've recognized as virtuous (under my perspective) almost never recgonize they are so and tend to follow a very low profile. Those who make it public on the other hand, I've noticed they are not what they preach to be and find them quite narcissistic most of the time.

For example, wise people, from my point of view, normally don't *say* they are, they just show it in an unexpected and memorable way. The same thing goes with humility, those who are humble tend to just... you know, be humble. But are they aware of it?

I ask this because I kinda been percieving a sort of "inflation" of people who claim to be "all loving", "caring" and so on... when in reality they are quite the contrary.

I've also noticed this during job interviews. Hasn't it happen to you that it is difficult to talk about yourself when asked about your virtues, not because you can't recognize any, but because it feels... wrong?

This may be my upbringing, but still, it would be interesting to read other perspectives on this matter.

[TGC> The Games Collector]

It's better to not be known as virtuous, then nobody will prey on your good will.

[Michu]

Originally posted by Breathe:

Originally posted by Michu:

Most people I've recognized as virtuous (under my perspective) almost never recgonize they are so and tend to follow a very low profile. Those who make it public on the other hand, I've noticed they are not what they preach to be and find them quite narcissistic most of the time.

For example, wise people, from my point of view, normally don't *say* they are, they just show it in an unexpected and memorable way. The same thing goes with humility, those who are humble tend to just... you know, be humble. But are they aware of it?

Your observations, based upon my own experience, appear correct. Integrity. Some choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. It's a given. Automatic. So not something to preach nor brag about. It's just how it should be.

Wisdom, however, is a bit different. Only fools consider themselves wise as wise people realize they have much to learn and they do not know much of everything. There is a purity in wisdom, just as there is a purity of heart in kindness. Both a bit different.

Beautifully explained! Thank you!

[Dracoco OwO]

Originally posted by TGC> The Games Collector:

It's better to not be known as virtuous, then nobody will prey on your good will.

I can't be anymore, too much rats and profiteers abound. I've seen far too much on the horrible side of peoples to truly have compassion for most of them.

[Luck-E-lynx]

Most people in society are good people. Society would fall apart if they were not.

[Dracoco OwO]

Originally posted by Luck-E-lynx:

Most people in society are good people. Society would fall apart if they were not.

Innocence is quite a sight to behold but learn to keep your naivety a secret too.

[El Mythical 23 k.s.c.]

Originally posted by Luck-E-lynx:

Most people in society are good people. Society would fall apart if they were not.

I think this is a very valid point. 99% of us go about our day harming no one. People just want to live their life for the most part. News makes money focusing on the people doing wrong.

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Michu:

I ask this because I kinda been percieving a sort of "inflation" of people who claim to be "all loving", "caring" and so on... when in reality they are quite the contrary.

It's called liberalism lol and is the standard or most widely promoted ideology for a long time now.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Raoul:

Originally posted by Michu:

I ask this because I kinda been percieving a sort of "inflation" of people who claim to be "all loving", "caring" and so on... when in reality they are quite the contrary.

It's called liberalism lol and is the standard or most widely promoted ideology for a long time now.

Progressivism, actually. Liberals, by the traditional definition, just want a minimum of government influence in their daily lives. Whereas progressives want governments actively promoting and enacting new policies, I assume, just for the sake of having something new.

[Apexnexius]

Scandinavian here.

Donald Trump is a virtuous person and he seems to understand that he is.
He seems like a balanced, stabilized and self aware human being.

[Raoul]

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by Raoul:

It's called liberalism lol and is the standard or most widely promoted ideology for a long time now.

Progressivism, actually. Liberals, by the traditional definition, just want a minimum of government influence in their daily lives. Whereas progressives want governments actively promoting and enacting new policies, I assume, just for the sake of having something new.

They're in the same camp.. not exclusively but in reactionary politics it allows liberals to market themselves better to constantly try to justify a distinction to other right wing ideologies.

[Dracoco OwO]

Originally posted by Apexnexius:

Scandinavian here.

Donald Trump is a virtuous person and he seems to understand that he is.
He seems like a balanced, stabilized and self aware human being. :lunar2019deadpanpig:

I don't hate Trump that much but now that's trolling though.

[Rio]

How do you know that when you are doing good, that you are actually doing good? The poor child you feed could one day grow up to be a terrible dictator who harms or kills millions.

When people helped me that had no idea what I might become.

And when a teacher believes they are being kind and doing good by fudging numbers on a test so a kid passes and doesn't get held back a grade again, its making it so the kid didn't get educated on what he is suppose to know and may be teaching them to be lazier.

Is it virtue to protect your kid, or is it genetic self interest? Is it virtue to make your kid learn a religion? Or indoctrination, brain washing.

That is to say, how can I tell you what virtue is? If it might not really exist.

You can pray for someone, but does it really help them? My cousins prayed for me for years and it never did anything.

I could sit here for hours every day, thinking happy, loving thoughts about myself and other people and feel so good. But IN THE REAL WORLD, that guy thats working a min wage job and giving out some of his paycheck to his co-workers is being more helpful.

Is it virtue to be a doormat? Is it virtue to be weak and let everyone take advantage of you? Is it virtue to be a begger in protest if your country is corrupt? Is it virtue to protest life and god if you think them corrupt?

How can I know what virtue is? I don't see the future, if I think I know more than god I have the sin of pride, for to know better than god, meaning I think myself greater than god in an area or case.

[76561198356019466]

If you make a point of telling people you are virtuous, noble, a genius, admired, and non-racist, then you are none of them.

[Michu]

Originally posted by ⛧:

How do you know that when you are doing good, that you are actually doing good? The poor child you feed could one day grow up to be a terrible dictator who harms or kills millions.

When people helped me that had no idea what I might become.

And when a teacher believes they are being kind and doing good by fudging numbers on a test so a kid passes and doesn't get held back a grade again, its making it so the kid didn't get educated on what he is suppose to know and may be teaching them to be lazier.

Is it virtue to protect your kid, or is it genetic self interest? Is it virtue to make your kid learn a religion? Or indoctrination, brain washing.

That is to say, how can I tell you what virtue is? If it might not really exist.

You can pray for someone, but does it really help them? My cousins prayed for me for years and it never did anything.

I could sit here for hours every day, thinking happy, loving thoughts about myself and other people and feel so good. But IN THE REAL WORLD, that guy thats working a min wage job and giving out some of his paycheck to his co-workers is being more helpful.

Is it virtue to be a doormat? Is it virtue to be weak and let everyone take advantage of you? Is it virtue to be a begger in protest if your country is corrupt? Is it virtue to protest life and god if you think them corrupt?

How can I know what virtue is? I don't see the future, if I think I know more than god I have the sin of pride, for to knowing better than god, meaning I think myself greater than god in an area or case.

That is... well, I don't really have words for what you just said. It is a bit of a gloomy perspective I suppose. I wouldn't ponder too much on the definition though, most complex things have the simpliest answers.

[Michu]

Originally posted by Apexnexius:

Scandinavian here.

Donald Trump is a virtuous person and he seems to understand that he is.
He seems like a balanced, stabilized and self aware human being.

He is an american politician though. Politics, just like job interviews, seem to need this constant reassurance of virtuousness in order to keep the relevance going.

But it is an interesting perspective though, reminds of something machiavelli said about virtue and leadership