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EPIC to pay record breaking fine of over $500 million dollars
https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/19/ftc-fines-fortnite-maker-epic-games-520m-over-childrens-privacy-charges/

I'd calculate how many years worth of income that is for the EPIC store but it would come out to infinity atm as they've never had a positive income yet. So all I can say is DAMN thats a big fine.
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Incarnate の投稿を引用:
Ice Mountain の投稿を引用:

Nope, that isn't it at all. 2019 documents shown in the Epic v Apple lawsuit showed Epic's 5 year plan for the free games, as well as exclusive games plans. That 2019 document showed the 5 year plan for free games budget was:

- 2020: $108 Million
- 2021: $50 Million
- 2022-2024: $20 million each year

Interesting. Some good research on your part.

Either way, that does go way a long way to explain why the free-game quality has dropped off a chasm this year.

Incarnate の投稿を引用:
Ice Mountain の投稿を引用:

Nope, that isn't it at all. 2019 documents shown in the Epic v Apple lawsuit showed Epic's 5 year plan for the free games, as well as exclusive games plans. That 2019 document showed the 5 year plan for free games budget was:

- 2020: $108 Million
- 2021: $50 Million
- 2022-2024: $20 million each year

Interesting. Some good research on your part.

Either way, that does go way a long way to explain why the free-game quality has dropped off a chasm this year.

Yep, they can't afford it, so they are scraping the bottom of the barrel giving away brony games and basically games they can pay a pittance for.

The problem with Epic as its been reported on is that its easy to get users to join your site when your willing to lose billions of dollars, the problem is getting them to be paying customers which they have completely failed at

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/452389/epic-games-store-customers-spent-on-average-just-4-in-2021/

The average user spending on Epic is $4.33 or in otherwords Epic made about $.52 per user. Suffice to say that isn't very good...
Ganger 2022年12月20日 5時32分 
brian9824 の投稿を引用:

It's a pretty big drop as they are losing a ton of money from the store, Fortnite sales are slowing down, they still have pending fines from their lost case against apple and google to pay, etc.

It really adds up fast.

I won't lose any sleep over them or any of the other big boys. Epic has cost me as a father way to much money over the years buying these skins for the kids and myself.

But what get's me, it's the same with many others in the industry is that their limit skins sells for a limited time frame (say 24 hours or so) and men, women and children are like going crazy to purchase said skin before it desappers, quoting "it will never return to the shop agian, must buy now" blah blah... this is how these bad practices in the gaming industry trap people and get them to part waves with their hard earn cash.

I have partaken in this myself, be it on fortnite, steam, world of tanks and many others.
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Incarnate の投稿を引用:

Interesting. Some good research on your part.

Either way, that does go way a long way to explain why the free-game quality has dropped off a chasm this year.

Incarnate の投稿を引用:

Interesting. Some good research on your part.

Either way, that does go way a long way to explain why the free-game quality has dropped off a chasm this year.

Yep, they can't afford it, so they are scraping the bottom of the barrel giving away brony games and basically games they can pay a pittance for.

The problem with Epic as its been reported on is that its easy to get users to join your site when your willing to lose billions of dollars, the problem is getting them to be paying customers which they have completely failed at

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/452389/epic-games-store-customers-spent-on-average-just-4-in-2021/

The average user spending on Epic is $4.33 or in otherwords Epic made about $.52 per user. Suffice to say that isn't very good...

I suppose the more intriguing question is: Who suffers more if they never go into the black? The company or its investors?

A company can file for Chapter 11, but investors are out the money. But that's getting ahead of ourselves.
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brian9824 の投稿を引用:



Yep, they can't afford it, so they are scraping the bottom of the barrel giving away brony games and basically games they can pay a pittance for.

The problem with Epic as its been reported on is that its easy to get users to join your site when your willing to lose billions of dollars, the problem is getting them to be paying customers which they have completely failed at

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/452389/epic-games-store-customers-spent-on-average-just-4-in-2021/

The average user spending on Epic is $4.33 or in otherwords Epic made about $.52 per user. Suffice to say that isn't very good...

I suppose the more intriguing question is: Who suffers more if they never go into the black? The company or its investors?

A company can file for Chapter 11, but investors are out the money. But that's getting ahead of ourselves.

They can indefinitely support the losses with other financial streams, but eventually if there isn't a path to profitability they will have to cut their losses. Only time will tell
The COPPA fine amounts to $275 million, which is the largest-ever penalty for violating an FTC rule. Then FTC also fined Epic $245 million to refund customers for what it calls “dark patterns and billing practices”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMWFZ6HoyMY

So it's two separate fines totalling up to $520.

It's also partly because a nephew had stolen/borrowed the credit card off his Grandma and kept buying Fortnite stuff with it, then lying saying oops I didn't mean to each time. She had originally agreed to give him the credit card for a $10 Battle Pass. Then he wanted skins and other things too. Parents attempting to remove the card, but the nephew kept adding it back to charge more stuff. He would instantly say sorry right after doing it multiple times. Oops, oops, oops, oops. Stuff like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3Q7ngEoi0

ps for parents: A Fortnite $10 Battle Pass can get you up to 1500 v-Bucks (virtual currency) via playing, in which you only need 950 v-Bucks for the next Battle Pass to get for free as well as a few freebee skins/dances, rather than having an ongoing seasonal payment subscription. Fortnite also offers you parental control to pin code lock any purchases made and monitor your child's play time upon the game. It's got all the features for you to be a good parent, yet most just don't use them.

Epic is even part of SuperAwesome KWS (Kids Web Services):
https://dev.superawesome.com/

I personally believe it to be a stupid fine, squarely to be blamed upon complaining parents who want to use it as a babysitter, rather than parent the child themselves.

However, perhaps you should add up how many fines Facebook has paid out. I'll give you a clue it's around the $6 billion mark...

For Facebook fines in 2019:
January - donation to a scam ad prevention charity in order to have a lawsuit dropped = $3,900,000
March - settlement paid after multiple lawsuits alleged discrimination in advertising = $5,000,000
April - fine issued by a court in Russia for storing Russian user data on servers outside the country = $47
May - fine issued by Turkey's data protection authority = $ 270,000
June - fine imposed by Italy's data protection watchdog = $1,100,000
July - fine for allegedly underreporting the number of illegal hate speech complaints on Facebook, issued by German regulators = $2,300,000
July - settlement paid after an FTC investigation following the Cambridge Analytica scandal = $5,000,000,000 (that's $5 billion!)
July - fine imposed by the Securities and Exchange Commission in connection to the Cambridge Analytica scandal = $100,000,000
July - fine issued by a superior court judge in San Francisco for refusing to provide posts that could have helped in a criminal trial = $1,000
October - fine issued for a data breach, imposed by authorities in Turkey = $282,000
October - settlement as part of a lawsuit alleging that Facebook inflated viewership metrics = $40,000,000

I can't wait to see how much Elon Musk will get fined upon Twitter, if he keeps up his shenanigans.
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Ice Mountain の投稿を引用:
Incarnate の投稿を引用:

Based on the quality of free games they've given away in the last six months, they were already hard up for cash.

Nope, that isn't it at all. 2019 documents shown in the Epic v Apple lawsuit showed Epic's 5 year plan for the free games, as well as exclusive games plans. That 2019 document showed the 5 year plan for free games budget was:

- 2020: $108 Million
- 2021: $50 Million
- 2022-2024: $20 million each year

It's contained in one of these exhibits.

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2F6b9wmjvr582c95uzma1136exumk6p989
I just read somewhere that the Internet was speculating Skyrim and/or Kingdom Hearts would be in the giveaway.
Honestly, the issue isn't with gaming companies exploiting children. The fact is the failure is with your elected "leadership" that allows them to do it. Why? Well because most countries already have a definition of gambling that things like loot boxes fall under, and in all those countries marketing what is defined as gambling to children is explicitly illegal. You should ask yourself why the rules that already exist, that have always existed just never applied to them.

As far as micro transactions specifically go, there's nothing inherently illegal about it, that's more of an issue of parents that cannot say "no" looking to place the blame on someone else.
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Devsman の投稿を引用:
Ice Mountain の投稿を引用:

Nope, that isn't it at all. 2019 documents shown in the Epic v Apple lawsuit showed Epic's 5 year plan for the free games, as well as exclusive games plans. That 2019 document showed the 5 year plan for free games budget was:

- 2020: $108 Million
- 2021: $50 Million
- 2022-2024: $20 million each year

It's contained in one of these exhibits.

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fapp.box.com%2Fs%2F6b9wmjvr582c95uzma1136exumk6p989
I just read somewhere that the Internet was speculating Skyrim and/or Kingdom Hearts would be in the giveaway.

KH is extremely unlikely, Skyrim SE is a possibility as its so old and its dirt cheap so wouldn't cost them much.
“Epic put children and teens at risk through its lax privacy practices, and cost consumers millions in illegal charges through its use of dark patterns"

Anyone know what the dark patterns are?
brian9824 の投稿を引用:
https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/19/ftc-fines-fortnite-maker-epic-games-520m-over-childrens-privacy-charges/

I'd calculate how many years worth of income that is for the EPIC store but it would come out to infinity atm as they've never had a positive income yet. So all I can say is DAMN thats a big fine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/fortnite-maker-epic-games-fined-520-million-accusations-exposed-child-rcna62369
HALO_run の投稿を引用:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/fortnite-maker-epic-games-fined-520-million-accusations-exposed-child-rcna62369
Oh, thats why Among Us stopped letting kids use the normal chat features, to avoid being sued like this.
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brian9824 の投稿を引用:
https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/19/ftc-fines-fortnite-maker-epic-games-520m-over-childrens-privacy-charges/

I'd calculate how many years worth of income that is for the EPIC store but it would come out to infinity atm as they've never had a positive income yet. So all I can say is DAMN thats a big fine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/fortnite-maker-epic-games-fined-520-million-accusations-exposed-child-rcna62369

Yes, its a link to what I posted in the first post.
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kilésengati の投稿を引用:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/3/22417447/fortnite-revenue-9-billion-epic-games-apple-antitrust-case

Yeah, sure, half a billion will surely hurt their business in exploiting children.

Meanwhile, a single bloke is ordered to pay a billion and more without due process just because he's an arse,

They should've fined both Epic Games and Sweeney at least ten times their entire net worth.

Careful what you wish for, if Valve ever gets in the sights of the FTC, they'll end up having to pay money too, for pretty much the same reasons as Epic's. Fines that you wish for put companies out of business, meaning Valve would go out of business.

Good, that should be motivation enough for Valve not to become ♥♥♥♥ like their competitors for decades to come.
brian9824 の投稿を引用:
HALO_run の投稿を引用:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/fortnite-maker-epic-games-fined-520-million-accusations-exposed-child-rcna62369

Yes, its a link to what I posted in the first post.
i don't trust that site you posted so i added that one
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HALO_run の投稿を引用:
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/fortnite-maker-epic-games-fined-520-million-accusations-exposed-child-rcna62369
Oh, thats why Among Us stopped letting kids use the normal chat features, to avoid being sued like this.
yep tho to be fair they did steal data, a lot of data games don't normally use
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