Do killing in self-defense is a sin?

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Dawido 19 Ιουν 2023, 23:59

If you kill a aggresive sociopath who wanted to kill or kill you family, does it count as sin or not? I think not, since you didnt had other choice

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Netaris 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:14

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Goldias:
Still a sin, doesn't mean I won't stab the hell out of him though. :cozykcdaxe: I'm not religious guy.
Also anyone who's so afraid to commit a sin to save their own life, should go live with god.

Oh ok, that's what you meaned, I haven't understanded your point. I agree with you.

I like the Guts (Berserk) way to see things : "Stop praying false gods, fight for your life instead idiot.".

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Dawido 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:27

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από gagnrad:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dewido8:

Ok so, what i am supposed to do if somebody wanna kill me? Just let him kill me because God says murder is no no.
I dont think that self-defense is count as murder

Bible says turn the other cheek. Sit there and take it, unless you want to actually be a sinner in the eyes of your god. Meek shall inherit the Earth and whatnot, it's a sin to be violent period.

So I am supposed to let this man kill me and my family?

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Out Of Bubblegum 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:29

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dewido8:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από gagnrad:

Bible says turn the other cheek. Sit there and take it, unless you want to actually be a sinner in the eyes of your god. Meek shall inherit the Earth and whatnot, it's a sin to be violent period.
So I am supposed to let this man kill me and my family?

Which is worse? Being killed or being refused entry into heaven? Mortal life is very short no matter what.

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Out Of Bubblegum; 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:30

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Γαῖα 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:56

Its only a sin if your religious, its only a crime if your apart of a social construct.

What constitutes as is a matter of what a pack decides.

We do not tolerate the lion that kills the man. We tolerate the man that kills the lion.
But what now when another man kills the man so to protect the lion.

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Anosmyk 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:57

Sins aren’t real. Morality is. But no self defense is not wrong. In my views.

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Anosmyk; 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:58

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Auckes 20 Ιουν 2023, 1:58

If your life is being threatened or worse, the life of your loved ones, then removing said threat from its sorry existence, is self-preservation and a heroic deed.

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Dawido 20 Ιουν 2023, 2:03

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Out Of Bubblegum:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dewido8:
So I am supposed to let this man kill me and my family?
Which is worse? Being killed or being refused entry into heaven? Mortal life is very short no matter what.

This is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Im sure that there must be something missing, something that maybe modern church forget about, but i dont believe that God is forcing you to accept getting killed instead self-defending yourself.
Live is God creation, creation that shal be protected

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Tonepoet 20 Ιουν 2023, 2:10

Well, it depends on the religion. Assuming judeo-christianity, there is an argument to be had that "thou shalt not kill" is somewhat of a mistranslation, and it should really be "thou shalt not murder". The distinction between murder and killing is that murder is a wrongful and usually unlawful killing, and for this reason, most modern translations do not use the word kill anymore, but specifically murder.

There are numerous instances in the bible where God outright orders killing, and when choosing between directly disobeying a specific order God gave to you and standing orders. I would suppose the more specific order overrides the general principle. Moreover, the Israelites were frequently at war with their neighbors. God ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, as a test of faith for example. There are numerous offenses which call for execution by biblical law, and if killing was forbidden in all circumstances, then you could not have an executioner, The bible also has instances of wars between the Israelites and their neighbors.

There is a specific verse in exodus 22:2 and 22:3[www.esv.org] which regard when you are and are not considered guilty of murdering a home intruder.

Exodus 21:12-14 seem to provide some potential self-defense provisions as well[www.biblehub.com]:

He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

When it talks about lying in wait, delivering a person into your hand and coming presumptuously upon a neighbor, it seems to me as if there is a difference between using the necessary means to protect yourself from an ambush, and and having premeditated intent to kill with an ambush. However, it seems as if you might have to live in exile if you do defend yourself.

My opinion is that it should be okay, as a last resort. It should be noted that I am not a member of the Aabrahamic religions though, so I haven't particularly studied the bible in detail or consulted anybody, and these things are highly subject to interpretation. Differences of opinion regarding doctrinal interpretation is a large part of the reason are why so many denominations of Christianity, and a small part of why Christianity is distinct from Judaism, so this opinion is uncertain and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Moreover, the bible does not seem to be terribly direct on the matter either. I am not really sure what god delivering a man into your hand actually means.

Still though, if a person has genuine intent on killing you, unprovoked, it seems to me as if someone is going to die one way or the other, and I have difficulty seeing why God would prefer it to be people who are minding their own business as opposed to somebody with malicious intent.

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Tonepoet; 20 Ιουν 2023, 2:15

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ZZZZZ 20 Ιουν 2023, 2:14

general sins dont exist, a sin is something personal.. if u think killing is good it isnt a sin

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Edward Von Worms 20 Ιουν 2023, 2:16

be it killed or killer your life is probably over so escape seems the best option, but then there is transparency the idea that everyone is being watched so nobody can make a move without it being logged, thought crime is very real now, never thought i would say that but here we are.

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