The never ending “woke” war.

[Mr_Blank]

Hello I am unfunny completionist man and today I will talk about the rampant sexisim, racisim, and homophobia in the gaming industry, while also touching on the issues of pandering to groups only for financial gain.

So “woke”. We’ve all heard it, we’ve all seen it, and for the unlucky few, seen it on twitter. So what is it, and why is it a problem? Well, unfortunately for you and especially me there’s 2 rules we need to set before I talk about this.

1. Every human deserves every right a human has. When a human does something that is unethical, they have broken moral standards and are usually violating someone else rights. This is called an ethical issue. No matter who you are, male, female, transgender female, transgender male, and or another form of sexual identity, then you have acsess to all of these rights unless you are in a country where it is illegal to do so (almost all countries that make LGBTQ identity illegal are smaller countries in Africa). I bring this up because steam is the most racist, sexist and homophobic place I have seen. The only reason it’s a bit better than Reddit is because this moderation team actually tries to punish violations of the rules that are this severe.

2. Every human has the right to an opinion, until that opinion directly harms or hurts someone else severely: That is not an opinion, that is a manifesto. For example, I may say that valve only has 6 worthwhile games due to my personal experience with the company (for those interested, portal 1&2, half life 1&2, gmod and left 4 dead 2 are the only valve games I enjoyed). Someone else could disagree with that opinion due to their own experience. This is called perspective, and a lot of people forget that this is a thing. If everyone in life had the exact same experience, exact same mindset and exact same personality, then opinions would not exist. I bring this up because my opinion on what “woke” is may be different from yours, and while I am open to other perspectives, I will pay you no mind if your opinion is at the expense of someone else.

Okay now that that explanation is over, time to get to the meat.

In my experience, a modern companies comes from a desire to make more money by pandering to minorities. Just a quick reminder, women are not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minority, they are half of the population IF. NOT. MORE. Therefore saying a female protagonist is “woke” is stupid in almost every scenario which we’ll get into. The other side of this coin is called representation, in which a company adds representation of a minority to be able to relate to characters and plots as much as the majority.

A fantastic example of this is robin from stranger things. For context robin was a witty and humorous female side character introduced in stranger things season 3. Fans originally thought she would be the new love interest for another character, Steve, but it was revealed that she was lesbian in a later episode.in season four, robin is ripped of almost any character trait she had In The original and is used only to relate back to a minority. So, here’s the difference. Robin in season 3 is representation, not woke, and here’s why. her character does not hinge on the fact that she is lesbian, she knows other languages, she’s comedic, she adapts pretty quickly to the insane situation around her, and she has a strong connection with Steve. If you wrote out that she was lesbian then the only thing that would maybe change her character would be her disinterst in Steve. That’s it. She’s still a unique character that both the majority audience and the minority that she represents can enjoy. In season 4, Robin is now a woke character for one main reason: her only character trait now is being lesbian. Robin barley gets anything to do in this season except stare at Nancy, stare at her crush, talk about her crush to Steve, and only got one scene where she feels like her old self (her speech to the asylum doctor). Her being lesbian is not the issue, the issue is that she is lesbian and absolutely nothing else. Perhaps for writings sake they took every single thing they had going for Robins character and threw it out the window. She is now almost entirely uninteresting to the majority of viewers since the only way you could relate to her now is if you were lesbian (or a strong advocate for feminism, but that was only one scene), and I don’t know about you, but I talked to a friend of mine who is lesbian and she agreed with me: robin is as dry as sandpaper. The issue here is that your giving one group of people only one good reason To love the character, completely missing the point of her original character arc and traits. Also idk about you, but when I get invested in a character I relate to, it’s almost never due to only their gender and sexual identity. I don’t like Arthur Morgan because he’s a relatable straight dude like me, I like him because he’s funny, badass, and I can relate to his personal philosophies on life. I don’t think I’ve met a single person who likes robin in season 4 outside of the fact that she was gay. Because of this, their pandering actually blows up in their face because less people can relate or invest in the character.

So a few more examples so you don’t get confused before I get into the “woke dilemma in video games”. Helmut Fulbear is one of the original psychonauts in psychonauts 2. He had the ability to slow down time, he was a psychedelic rock n roll star who lead his band, he’s incredibly funny, and he’s incredibly dramatic, all interesting and funny character traits that get players invested in his character. Oh I’m sorry I forgot, he’s also gay. Him being gay enhances the story that another characters level has (bob) and it makes his “death” a bit sadder knowing that him and his love interest weren’t able to kick it off fully before he died. Luz the human from owl house, fantastic protagonist just pouring out with character, I’d be here all day trying to explain it if I wanted to. She just so happens to be bisexual, and Chou makes her relationship to another character incredibly strong, and makes her earlier actions more beivable. These are examples of good representation, when a character actually is a character and not a cardboard box that the writers only made gay to make a studio more money. An example of a “woke” character would be Ethan Clade from Disney’s strange world. Ethan Clade is a background character who’s only motivation and character trait AND CHARACTER ARC is to talk to his crutch who is a dude. He has no intriguing character traits and therefore has nothing for the general audience to consume. Keep In mind this comes from the corporate dickwads that cancelled the owl house for “not fitting with their brand” after the first main character bisexual couple in Disney channel history was revealed. So, characters who are well written that happen to be more relatable to a minority don’t fit the piece of the puzzle, but characters who only pander to a minority and do nothing else do fit the puzzle? Right, right, go ♥♥♥♥ Yourself, Walt. So, conclusion, character that is actually written well, is relatable to a majority of the audience and only happens to represent a minority is representation, and a character who is only there to pander to a minority and nothing else is “woke”. Hope you get it because now we get into the confusing stuff.

Recently I noticed a post on the starfield forum which has been popping off since the direct. The post asked if the game would be woke and if it would therefore be worth playing or not. Two things came to my mind immediatly. One, what does this person think “woke” means, and what amount of attachment to the media that had said “woke” thing in it is he Not going to have? A few months ago a YouTuber called the act man made a fantastic video on gaming hot takes (I will link it below) and made fun of a comment on the hades II trailer. The comment read “female protag? Hard pass. Sorry, the woke crowd ruined it by shoving it down our throats for the past few years. Bye” and man of man is there ♥♥♥♥ to dig. Both this comment and this post are a bit messed for 2 reasons. 1, neither of these games have come out yet, and we can therefore not confirm whether they are “woke” or not. For something to be “woke” (in this posters opinions form personal experience) the characters or setting have to pander to a minority and that’s it, nothing else of note. Because there’s no way we can know what a character will do outside of the little bit we had in the trailer, we can’t say if it’s “woke” or not. Second of all, what does “woke” mean to this person? If it’s exactly what I’ve been talking about, then there no logical way we would know of the game is “woke”. If the person thinks that any representation is woke, the. His opinion is at the expense or even harm of other people and I no longer have to listen to it. Other examples of this would be the constant spam of “WOKE” when the Senua’s Saga trailer was played during the PlayStation direct. We have know idea who or what senuas character is in the sequel, so how do we know if this woke or not? And this is the issue today, people claiming that any representation is bad representation and is therefore not worth the money. Because of this, these people are completely clipping their wings in what they can and can’t enjoy in media.

So, in conclusion, and before you bombard me with “I’m right your wrong”, “woke” is something that is understandable to hate, if it’s actually woke (in this ops personal opinion and defenition). If a characters pandering is the only thing that is special about them then I understand why it would sour someone’s experience, minority or majority. Hating on representation is what I don’t get. If there’s a character that happens to be representing a minority and is also intriguing to you, then why on earth would you let that persons sexuality or gender get in the way of your enjoyment of said character??? Are you that sexist or racist or homophobic that you can’t enjoy a character or an entire media because it has representation? If yes, please give me what you think is a logical reason that validates racisim or sexism or homophobia, I’d be glad to rip it apart with actual logic. Anyways, I hope this post made the “woke” war make more sense. Comment for you liked it, clowned if you didn’t like it, and send me my face if you hated it.

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[Out Of Bubblegum]

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

2. Every human has the right to an opinion,

Every human has a right to an informed opinion. No one on here has the right to an opinion on the best procedure for brain surgery.

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[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

I bet $10 commenter #1 and #2 did not read the topic. :erune:

[Mr_Blank]

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[kbiz]

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

I bet $10 commenter #1 and #2 did not read the topic. :erune:

Neither did post #7. I'm here for the vids.

OP, any chance for a bite-sized summary?

[Mr_Blank]

Originally posted by kbiz:

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

I bet $10 commenter #1 and #2 did not read the topic. :erune:

Neither did post #7. I'm here for the vids.

OP, any chance for a bite-sized summary?

Fine, then I’m hitting the hay.

Woke=character or media that exists only to pander to a specific audience and no one else. This is harmful because the majority cannot relate to it and the minority only has one way to relate to it (example kid from strange world)

Representation=character or media that exists as its own written and in depth thing that happens to cater towards a specific minority (example Harley Quinn is no but that is not at all her only character trait or all of her story)

Woke bad rep good, gamers dumb because a majority of us can’t tel the difference between the two and end up looking racist sexist or homophobic, or are ironically racist sexist or homophobic.

Good night.

[Fake]

War. War never changes.

[MinionJoe]

Comply and Obey.

[Goldias]

If it about equality it would be nice. But apparently woke movement is more than that.
It's not about equal. It's about they want to be more equal than others.

[Neurotic Panda]

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

I will talk about the rampant sexisim, racisim, and homophobia in the gaming industry

stopped reading at this point. false rhetoric. please take your 'agenda' some place else.

this stuff is like beating an undead horse, and you just keep beating it to try and make w/e points you're trying to make.

stop. come up with something new.

'rampant'.. lol..

[Goose]

Originally posted by Neurotic Panda:

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

I will talk about the rampant sexisim, racisim, and homophobia in the gaming industry

stopped reading at this point. false rhetoric. please take your 'agenda' some place else.

this stuff is like beating an undead horse, and you just keep beating it to try and make w/e points you're trying to make.

stop. come up with something new.

'rampant'.. lol..

:GHSleep: :♥♥♥♥:

"i don't like what i'm about to hear so i'm going to shut myself away so i don't have to hear other opinions that might make me upset"

[Neurotic Panda]

Originally posted by Goose:

Originally posted by Neurotic Panda:

stopped reading at this point. false rhetoric. please take your 'agenda' some place else.

this stuff is like beating an undead horse, and you just keep beating it to try and make w/e points you're trying to make.

stop. come up with something new.

'rampant'.. lol..

"i don't like what i'm about to hear so i'm going to shut myself away so i don't have to hear other opinions that might make me upset"

he can say what he wants and I block no one ever.

but

when the 1st sentence is absolute complete BS and made up to try and force some kind of narrative. I'm good. i have zero issue not continuing further. Why would i waste my time reading something that is 15 paragraphs long and the 1st sentence is just made up. 'rampant racism' in the gaming industry.. please. stop.

also.

feel free to read/support and promote such inane 'agendas'. trends are trends.

i personally like facts, and strong opinions based in facts. not just opinionated ramblings to 'push' some kind of personal narrative.

so, yea. have fun !

[sleeps]

Originally posted by Fake:

War. War never changes.

war, has changed

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

Stranger Things was great for the 1st two Seasons, it was dying in Season 3,
because the creators took too long to work on each Season.

Robin going from Season 3 to Season 4, I Agree with you on the fact that
Season 4 is where Robin becomes Woke & that they are just doing this for
the Minority in the Audience. That is just it, though? They think that if someone
doesn't like this, someone else will. So doing this for the Minority in the audience
is exactly what they want to do. That is the problem? Cause now most of the
Audience doesn't like the show anymore, & now a New Audience comes in,
& the Majority of the Audience is left with nothing to watch anymore, because
this is happening to every show / movie that comes out.

This is where Terminator is still the best thing to come to the Movies,
lets watch it our 300th time, just kill me comes into play.

I didn't play Psychonauts, so I can't comment on that one.

I can't comment on the things you mentioned after about Hades II,
& Starfield... However, I feel like just about everything that has come out
has been woke. Evil Dead is an example of what isn't Woke. Look it up
on X-Box One / PlayStation 5, & you will see what I mean? Compare that
to Games like Remake Of Star Craft II (ReBuilt & Ruined) & things like
Mortal Kombat 11 where all the Skins are missing for almost 2 Years, &
the Game is skipping, & presenting Motion Sickness, & Has Super Gods
as a Story for it's Game... It's totally ruined the story of the MK Franchise,
& it's totally woke. It has poor character designs, & character building. This
can basically be like every Game. Look at Halo Infinite how it has touchy
family crying feelings in it. No one wants to see that in a Halo Game, it's
totally woke. Evil Dead has none of this stuff in it, & it runs fantastically on
Consoles, heck it wasn't even on Steam for a good long time. Evil Dead is
an example of whats not woke, good characters, good story, good graphix,
& great performance, above all it doesn't even take up that much space,
& no gay bull crap involved in the Game. Thankfully someone did a great
job with a Game.

It's not even just the Games though that are woke. Steam has completely
gone woke all on it's own. It's hard to argue that Steam is not having problems
of it's own right now. The creators are messing with the platform, & half the
people do not like what is going on with Steam. So even if the Games are
good, people still don't wanna buy them on this god aweful platform Today.
I don't like mobile phones, & I don't want them anywhere near my Games,
nor my computer. So i'm anti-windows 11 right now, & i'm anti-steam right
now, because both are looking to move into the mobile direction at the moment,
& both are doing such a crappy job of maintenance work, & both look hideous
to the User running them at the moment. So when you talk about tv shows
where if someone doesn't like them, we'll just cater to a whole new audience?
Windows 11 & Steam are not catering to a different audience, they are trying
to force their own audiences into buying into the woke bull crap that their
platforms are becoming, & they are failing at it, but they don't care, because
they keep pushing the idea that we have no choice.

A Female Protagonist isn't what Woke is? It's when a Female Protegonist
is there just because they need to be there, or that they are there just because
it's different, where as before? They were there, for no other reason then
because they were there. It wasn't & didn't feel forced. That is where a
Female Protagonist feels woke. The bad story telling, the aweful performance,
& bad graphix, all plays into the wokeness of the Games. Adding sexualised
content to Games that they don't belong in just because of LGBTQ has to for
whatever reason be present just isn't right to the players, & buyers of those
Games, & is a lot to do with them being Woke. There is a right way & a wrong
way to interpret & allow LTBTQ whatever into Video Games, & the way they
are going about doing so just isn't a very good way to do it.

Instead of celebrating LGBTQ & making it happy to exist? They are pushing
it down people's throats, & making people hate LGBTQ enough to go out of
their ways to harm the Community that supports it. Instead of supporting it,
they are harming it.

I don't like LGBTQ being in my Games that I play. I think that kind of thinking
is wrong, & it's not fair to me that i'm being forced to buy stuff like this when
I don't want to. Someone might say life isn't fair? Now, I call that bull crap, cause
the only people saying this are the ones who don't want life to be fair. If you ask
me, Gaming Companies need to make a choice? Their original fans, or their
new Fans, & they can't have both, because life isn't fair, & you can't cater to
everyone, just cause you think you can. There is always going to be someone
who doesn't like what your doing, & you just can't make everyone happy. They
need to fully understand that trying to cater to everyone is exactly what is ruining
the Games for everyone. We are constantly arguing over what is wrong with
Video Games Today, because we don't like what is going on with them. Before
no one cared, Today everyone cares.

You take LGBTQ out of a Game, the LGBTQ hates the Video Games,
You add it in, now everyone else hates the Video Games. That is just
one example of what you can't fix by making everyone happy. You just
can't make everyone happy, & it's stupid that these Game Designers
think they can. They have gotten nothing, but backlash since they've
tried to pull this off, & make everything all in one package, & cater to
everyone. Nothing, but backlash since. Ignoring the backlash is only
pushing the ideas that these companies are going broke. Steam already
has about 8 million Users on it's platform. & that number is dropping.
Pretty soon? Steam will be a forgotten platform that ever existed, & no
one will even care that it's gone. Heck, right now Steam is the only
Company still pushing this Woke bull crap. Movie Studios are going
back into Movies that wow people, & Gaming Consoles are now going
back to making Games fun again for their Fans.

Where is Steam in all of this? Steam is still catering to this Woke BS crap,
& it's about time Fans start leaving the Platform for better Gaming elsewhere.






Lastly, you asked about about the term "homophobic"?

The problem is, i'm not homophobic, i'm not afraid of it,
I just don't like it, I disagree with it, & refuse to celebrate it.

I refuse to support something I disagree with.

That doesn't mean that I encourage anyone else to
abide by those same terms. I have nothing against
Video Games that are LGBTQ, I just disagree with
them being in Games that I play myself. That is it.

I've also never had any issues with Woman being
the protagonist in Games, or Movies? I just hate
the idea that they are only there, because they
need to be there to fill a Story they don't need to
be involved with. Sorta like oh? A Guy did it last
time, we must make it a Woman this time? Why?
Because we need to. It's just stupid. It's the same
for Diversity being involved with Video Games. If
you make every Video Game the same? Then all
you get is the same Game 100 times? It's just stupid.




I liked the Thread, but you only gave 3 Examples, & took a bit too long
to present all 3 Examples, but I also understand why you did.

Good Luck with other Replies.