Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 14.57
What is the purpose of moderation in games and forums?
What is the purpose of moderation in games and forums?

There is a mute function everywhere nowadays. Like, let people say what they want, its just words online. I don't see the purpose of moderation and putting ressources into this.
Opprinnelig skrevet av Irene ❤:
I think it is just to protect the business interest.

The first evidence is : If you say something bad about the game, they will ban you. Not because they don't want to have free speech. They need to prevent that damage.

Next, if you try to create other forms of damage to their business, e.g. upset their customer, they will ban you too.

Hence it's not about "ohh adults can take care of themselves". It's about business damage control. When people spend money on mods, the real motive is to defend their profit. He could care less if you quarrel with others online. Not his problem.

In real life, if you say bad things of someone who is making money with a name, that person can sue you and ask for reputation damage compensation. If you reply "can't he just hear and forget like an adult" nobody will side you.

Do you know how steam users are banned? The people who report you will write in a formal way, such as "this user is spreading misinformation in your platform" "This user spams your platform and derail many important discussions". In a business sense, they will have to act on it and ban the user.

So the people who caused bans and community bans are not kids who report. They are adults, and very bored adults without a business.

If you agreed with everything I've said, then you'd probably agree when I said my answer for the topic is "moderation is a business investment". Thank you. ^ ^
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Leonardo Da Pinchi 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.51 
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Opprinnelig skrevet av Your_White_Knight:

Pretty much... even bars have bouncers.

As long as they're neutral and don't take bias over the rules... it makes the playing field even.

Bars and real life have bouncers and cops to prevent actual crime, not people from saying a bad word or sharing an opinion the broad masses disagree with.

Odd comparison.
Fun fact, you go screaming slurs in a grocery store, they're going to toss you to the curb.
Leonardo Da Pinchi 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.52 
Opprinnelig skrevet av TwisterCat:
There is no point. It is freedom to the people. Corporations don't want you to have freedom, the power hungry moderators don't want you to have freedom, the shills do not want you to have so much as a lick of freedom. There's no money to be made where people have freedom to do what they want.
They're exercising THEIR freedom in THEIR space, as you're free to do in YOUR space.
Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.52 
Opprinnelig skrevet av TwisterCat:
There is no point. It is freedom to the people. Corporations don't want you to have freedom, the power hungry moderators don't want you to have freedom, the shills do not want you to have so much as a lick of freedom. There's no money to be made where people have freedom to do what they want.

It certainly starts to appear like this. But as long as there are people who appreciate this, it will not cease to go down like this. You see there are a lot of authoritarian personalities on here.
Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.53 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Opprinnelig skrevet av 4RR0W:

Bars and real life have bouncers and cops to prevent actual crime, not people from saying a bad word or sharing an opinion the broad masses disagree with.

Odd comparison.
Fun fact, you go screaming slurs in a grocery store, they're going to toss you to the curb.

Yeah and you are not if you have a discussion with someone who agrees to have a discussion.
Mensis 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.54 
Opprinnelig skrevet av 4RR0W:
Opprinnelig skrevet av Your_White_Knight:

Well more to the point "authorities" can't be everywhere, they're out of resources as they are... doing more important things then moderate a game platform's Forums :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Even Malls have Mall cops... it's Valve's / Steam's property... they are the first line of defense.

And rightly so...

Are you saying moderators doing the job of law enforcement ? lol.

We talked about criminal offences didn't we ? How many crimes actually happen in a forum or chat in a video game ? People throw around racial slur and insults, mute them and move on. No moderation needed unless you have an ego problem and constantly need others punished for saying a bad word to you.
It's not in the interest of moderators or the platform in question to host illegal content. For example, it would not go over well with authorities if people were simply allowed to post links or images of sexual content featuring minors. Something that isn't exactly unheard of happening on unmoderated forums or anywhere else images can be posted/hosted...
Xero_Daxter 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.54 
Imagine a game and forums being filled with toxicity.

I play League of Legends where your own teammates want you to lose more than the enemy team.
TwisterCat 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.54 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Opprinnelig skrevet av TwisterCat:
There is no point. It is freedom to the people. Corporations don't want you to have freedom, the power hungry moderators don't want you to have freedom, the shills do not want you to have so much as a lick of freedom. There's no money to be made where people have freedom to do what they want.
They're exercising THEIR freedom in THEIR space, as you're free to do in YOUR space.
Yes, and greedy cowards will enforce their warped ideas. They'll destroy everything of culture. Everything will be safe, boring, and unoriginal. I'm just stating the truth.
Leonardo Da Pinchi 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.55 
Opprinnelig skrevet av TwisterCat:
Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:
They're exercising THEIR freedom in THEIR space, as you're free to do in YOUR space.
Yes, and greedy cowards will enforce their warped ideas. They'll destroy everything of culture. Everything will be safe, boring, and unoriginal. I'm just stating the truth.
Fun fact about private property, you can set the rules for it as you see fit. So, get to it.
Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.56 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Xero_Daxter:
Imagine a game and forums being filled with toxicity.

I play League of Legends where your own teammates want you to lose more than the enemy team.

Toxicity does not exist in a forum where people are used to trolls, mute them and just got bored of their attempts.

Toxicity exists a lot more in a forum where moderators can be instrumentalized to block peoples accounts who disagree or get triggered by their passive aggressive troll attempts.
The nameless Gamer 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.56 
The state of this forum after the volunteer moderators were replaced by paid ones as well as after the rules became more lax actually prove that committed moderation made this place better. With someone cleaning up all the pointless political drivel as well as religious-themed discussions made it easier to actually discuss pastime activities. Not sure if you've been around before the rule change so we might not be on the same page on that. Either way, it's good to have folks around who can give the rude ones some time to cool off rather than pollute discussions with toxicity.
Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.58 
Opprinnelig skrevet av The nameless Commander:
The state of this forum after the volunteer moderators were replaced by paid ones as well as after the rules became more lax actually prove that committed moderation made this place better. With someone cleaning up all the pointless political drivel as well as religious-themed discussions made it easier to actually discuss pastime activities. Not sure if you've been around before the rule change so we might not be on the same page on that. Either way, it's good to have folks around who can give the rude ones some time to cool off rather than pollute discussions with toxicity.

Disagreed.
Mods don't read into discussions. So it is all down to who has numbers. If one is righteous and fair and gets reported by 12 people, then he gets banned, even if he did nothing wrong.

Hence I constantly get my bans revoked by support, due to mods applying wrong and excessive bans. Funny that this always happens when I engage with the same group of people who mass-report me.
Xero_Daxter 12. okt. 2023 kl. 15.59 
I did a test myself where I made 72 (I lied, actually 10) accounts to report a wholesome post and nothing happened.
Zeno (Utestengt) 12. okt. 2023 kl. 16.00 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Xero_Daxter:
I did a test myself where I made 72 (I lied, actually 10) accounts to report a wholesome post and nothing happened.

Maybe they saw it was fake.
Xero_Daxter 12. okt. 2023 kl. 16.01 
Opprinnelig skrevet av 4RR0W:
Opprinnelig skrevet av Xero_Daxter:
I did a test myself where I made 72 (I lied, actually 10) accounts to report a wholesome post and nothing happened.

Maybe they saw it was fake.

Next time imma gather a group of legit people to do it. It’s for science.
TwisterCat 12. okt. 2023 kl. 16.01 
Opprinnelig skrevet av Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Opprinnelig skrevet av TwisterCat:
Yes, and greedy cowards will enforce their warped ideas. They'll destroy everything of culture. Everything will be safe, boring, and unoriginal. I'm just stating the truth.
Fun fact about private property, you can set the rules for it as you see fit. So, get to it.
Everything good we had was bought-out. It's now run by shills. People had their space, but normies ruined it.

Even if I had my own forum, it would be slandered by the very people I criticize. They're the ones who can't keep their grimy hands to themselves.
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