They pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work!

[FighterSoldier]

This is a saying in the Soviet Union.

This saying is still relevant today.

[DarkCrystalMethod]

Workers are always worth their paycheck, until they aren't.

[Grendalcat]

Minimum work for minimum wage!

[Le fishe au chocolat]

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

This is a saying in the Soviet Union.

Wait, were people paid for their work in Soviet Union?

[hehexd]

It's almost as if commie regimes are the same as capitalist ones, just the people hording money now hide behind llcs

[FighterSoldier]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Minimum work for minimum wage!:VBCOOL:

And the minimum wage is not increasing.

[GunsForBucks]

Slave labor, hive mentality. China is the same.

America is on the same path, people are so quick to trade freedom away for an illusion of safety and/or profit.

What is moral becomes what is legal and profitable.

[DarkCrystalMethod]

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Minimum work for minimum wage!:VBCOOL:

And the minimum wage is not increasing.

The minimum tax always increases...

Also I believe you will enjoy the standup comedian Yakov Smirnov. The Russian Ministry of Jokes(real) approved his escape to America.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

thats why you go in low but with higher payouts.

**ok I work a year for free.. but after that I get 5k a month.. a car of the compagny etc. if I do my job better than most here (being I belong to the best 50%)

it is better to have such written down and contractual obligated things.. than to want higher pay now.
-a new boss won't believe you on your blue eyes
-and you sure can do a lot better than your current cv experience
-but you end up stuck every time due people not giving that chance without experience.. but not get experience without chance
-but you also aint a fool who will be exploited a free intern.
-so you just combine the two.. you aproach such a boss and make him an offer he cannot refuse.. if you do a great job.. you get great pay.. if not.. he won't loss a penny.
sure a risk.. but such gut at least make hard work worth it again.

usually "growing possibility" and "education paid by the compagny"
is worth more than imediate higher pay.
but I like those things written down on paper before I start.
for to often bosses promise "growing possibility" but than it never happens...
so you need a hard conditional if - than in your contract. even if that means agreeing to less now.

[FighterSoldier]

Originally posted by hehexd:

It's almost as if commie regimes are the same as capitalist ones, just the people hording money now hide behind llcs

This type of capitalism is the same as communism isn't it?

[Fuki]

Originally posted by tom:

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

This is a saying in the Soviet Union.

Wait, were people paid for their work in Soviet Union?

Yes, Soviet Russia still had currency. It was state socialist, not communist

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

In Soviet Union it was more like they pretend to pay us and we steal everything except warm and molten metal from the workplace.

[hehexd]

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

Originally posted by hehexd:

It's almost as if commie regimes are the same as capitalist ones, just the people hording money now hide behind llcs

This type of capitalism is the same as communism isn't it?

Any system that uses currency and puts 'value' on inanimate objects and resources is going to be manipulated and controlled by 'dark triad' types. It doesnt matter if you support the red or blue team

[Tazor]

Originally posted by tom:

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

This is a saying in the Soviet Union.

Wait, were people paid for their work in Soviet Union?

Yes. Believe it or not. They were paid with heating, housing, electricity, food, healthcare, child support, movie tickets, theatre tickets, vacations in Eastern Block countries. Always sad to see those Soviet tourist resorts completely abandoned. As nobody can afford to go on vacations anymore. Some were even paid with cars.

Soviet workers in the 80s were somehow wealthier than American workers today.

Tell me what American worker today can afford paying the bills, housing, food, healthcare, raising 2 children and going on a vacation every year.

[FighterSoldier]

Originally posted by Tazor:

Originally posted by tom:

Wait, were people paid for their work in Soviet Union?

Yes. Believe it or not. They were paid with heating, housing, electricity, food, healthcare, child support, movie tickets, theatre tickets, vacations in Eastern Block countries. Some were even paid with cars.

Soviet workers in the 80s were somehow wealthier than American workers today.

Tell me what American worker today can afford paying the bills, housing, food, healthcare, raising 2 children and going on a vacation every year.

Soviet workers were richer than today's American workers?

So crony capitalism is worse than communism?

[GunsForBucks]

Originally posted by FighterSoldier:

Originally posted by Tazor:

Yes. Believe it or not. They were paid with heating, housing, electricity, food, healthcare, child support, movie tickets, theatre tickets, vacations in Eastern Block countries. Some were even paid with cars.

Soviet workers in the 80s were somehow wealthier than American workers today.

Tell me what American worker today can afford paying the bills, housing, food, healthcare, raising 2 children and going on a vacation every year.

Soviet workers were richer than today's American workers?

So crony capitalism is worse than communism?

Are they not the same thing basically?

People at the top are greedy. They destroy freedom to have control and power.

All systems are the same at this point when it comes to the end result.

"Trust those in power to be your moral guidepost"

"Don't be surprised when your wine is sour when you let a liar choose the brew he pours you"